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Can't think of the guy's name but he was a 90s hitter, I believe, who was a bench outfielder. I think he had a long last name and was a lefty. I remember he always hit well. Kudos who comes up with the name. 

14 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

This guy too. 

 

Doug was great but you can't call him underrated.

Well, why not?

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

You would think not but I don't think we have any read on it (maybe privately there is some buzz among those who are connected)....Could he say, "I did all I could this year and I'm just not on board for any more" I dunno....I do know this....if he truly wants to ride this out until the team is good again, he may be around for awhile....Going all in this year may or may not have been a good call but the climb back to relevance, assuming it is without Ohtani, looks pretty steep to me. 

If he does re-sign Ohtani, I don't see the sense in selling without seeing his handiwork come to fruition, at the least first couple of years.  

3 minutes ago, DMVol said:

I don't think you can predict much without knowing what Arte's intentions are going to be regarding any sale....Will a sale back on the table this offseason? Does he want to keep the team indefinitely?  If he is keeping the team, at least for the foreseeable future, I would think Minasian is ok...Eppler got 5 years, just don't think he would axe Perry after 3.....

Do you think he would rethink a sale so soon after backpedaling? It's hard to believe.

8 minutes ago, Halo in Chicago said:

I'm as frustrated w some of Nevin's in-game decisions as the next guy, but I'm not sure how much say he (or the next manager) has in the bullpen moves or at least who he is allowed to use on certain nights. That said I'd be fine w moving on from Wise.

If this season continues to go downhill several will take the fall even if they aren't to blame.

Hard question that all MLB management juggles with. I really don't know. I don't like to use the phrase "bad luck" but it's pretty bizarre how a midlevel to high payroll team like the Angels have been so bad for so long. I hope Ohtani resigns with us because that's the impetus for a lot of change. 

3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Here's a fun stat:

Right now the Angels have an active payroll of $113.5M and an injured payroll of $102.3M.

Compare that to AL contenders:

Astros: $202M / $29M

Rangers: $184.2M / $56.3M

Mariners: $72.7M / $32.8M

Orioles: $46.9M / $14.6M

Blue Jays: $188.2M / $15.4M

Yankees: $186.2M / $76.8M

Red Sox: $99.9M / $56M

Twins: $118.5M / $30.3M

And some of the top NL teams...

Braves: $182M / $8M

Phillies: $214.6M / $16.9M

Brewers: $84.3 / $18.2M

Reds: $47.2M / $10.6M

Dodgers: $150.3M / $51.4M

Giants: $141M / $31M

 

No one is remotely close to the Angels, in terms of percentage of their payroll that is on the IL. I suppose this is the danger of investing so much of your potential value in so few players. The team is constructed to expect 10+ WAR from Trout and Rendon for the $76M they're paying them and have gotten 3.3 WAR from them so far.

 

 

Yikes!

55 minutes ago, VladdyforHOF said:

Perry needs to stay. Nevin needs to be canned. Bullpen has negative synergy because it’s managed so poorly.

I would have endorsed Nevin for another year but this recent dropoff looks terrible. He's the lame duck guy, basically an interim. Do you give him a chance to see what he can do with a team not so injured or do you give a new guy a totally clean slate? The team itself will be so different next year. That may be another reason to get rid of him. On the other hand, if Ohtani endorses him, he obviously stays. I get the feeling Ohtani doesn't stay because of Nevin though. 

59 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

It's definitely a point, Chuck, but the team was playing well with all the injuries just last week.

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

It's like building up your army for war and then have a Cholera epidemic run through them. 

Yes, they've had a lot of injuries but the lineup remains pretty talented. It doesn't make sense how they've fallen apart.

Ironically, I think the hardest may be the rbis. We're not scoring many runs and he needs to have people on base when he comes up.

He doesn't deserve this. From the beginning of the season, he seemed to do what was necessary for backup in case of injuries. Then he goes all in during the trading range. Maybe Arte pulled some strings but I think PM basically ran the team as he wanted. We may never find out if he wanted to keep or trade Ohtani but I think the right choice was made, even now. Yet, I commiserate with him because this team wasn't supposed to take a gut punch and just lay on the mat. It's a real shame.

You also wonder how much that first game messed them up mentally.

Moore can get some votes. It may be said that he has been more important than Neto this season. 

13 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’d rather them try and keep Urshela around as the flex guy.  Moose is a fun story but cmon.  He’s going to be 37.  

Definitely need Urshela.

Piggybacking on what was said on the podcast, I agree. I think he should be re-signed. Ohtani or not, I think this is going to a very tough offseason. Management will have a lot of decisions to make and if Mike is the leader that he seems to me, we need him to be a stabilizer of sorts. I like his versatility and again he'll back up Rendon and should get plenty of at-bats.

15 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

The Angels put all their chips into the middle of the table at the trade deadline with some big moves!  Since then, the team is 0 for August.  Is it too late?  Is this really just a .500 team and that’s all they’re going to be?  Victor Rojas, Chuck Richter and Geoff Stoddart commiserate and discuss what, if anything, can be done.  Plus …. a deep dive discussion on pitching philosophy!  Do teams need to start relying more on their manager’s eyes, instead of deciding in advance how long a pitcher will go before they’ve even thrown a pitch? Why just 3 times through a lineup? Why stop at 100 pitches?  Victor shares a behind the scenes story on this topic that happened during the Billy Eppler days. 

Just finished listening on YouTube. Great show! I have a question. If the Angels are a .500 club, why is that? On paper, they don't seem like one to me although the results show it. 

Wow! I could never have thought this. All I can do is give kudos to the Ms.

I'm so glad that PM went for it no matter what happens! Go Halos!!

The Angels, whatever else they are, are a challenge. They're a challenge for GMs and managers. I wholeheartedly believe we have as much talent, if not more, than most teams but they've failed for basically the last decade. It would be a feather in one's cap to be on the team when they get over the hump eventually. I wonder if a player like Ohtani would like to be part of that, if he would consider the Angels a challenge to make them better. Are there players who believe they can make a team better, not just play for a team because of the money or where their family lives? Thoughts?

3 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

This does not sound promising. 

Especially for his age. What is going on???

3 hours ago, Revad said:

We’re going to kick ass today, just watch.  Detmers will shut them down.

That's what I'm thinking.

24 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

We shall see iff there's an emotional letdown or stimulus. Games like last night should intensify focus and desire for atonement. But for Seattle it could be a springboard for their own confidence.

Basically, they got lucky yesterday because of an implosion. It's not likely in any of the other games so they're going to have to win on their own.