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i believe it's called getting old.

man, you just triggered the shit out of me. for a supposed "scout" this is some dog shit analysis. why do we always discount the good and inflate the bad? he was legitimately better than trout and ohtani until he got hurt. played hurt for a long time because the team literally had nobody better to play there, then gets healthy and destroys again. it's a fact that when healthy he was crushing pitching. it's also a fact that when he was hitting poorly he was definitively injured. the thing is it wasn't even flukey, his success is supported by a lot of measurables as repeatable. and "lesser pitchers"? get out of here with that laz-y-boy analysis. should we discount trout and ohtani's numbers against lesser pitchers when it didn't matter?

it's not about angel fans over valuing our own prospects. it's just a bad trade. to get a SP for two guaranteed years and a who gives a shit SS, you'd be giving up a good SP prospect, your future starting SS, your future starting C, your current 2b/ss and your former #1 prospect. adell is the easiest one to give up in that whole package at this point. you can't give up that much starting future talent for two years of one pitcher. it's not about over valuing, it's just bad management.

also, i don't think they're payin anybody more than like 22.5 million per year.

i think cueto, kluber and wacha would be totally fine. cueto is believably the guy that could give you the best season's performance over all of them, including eovaldi.

i don't mean arte, i mean the owners moving forward. if we get owners who are super conscious of the tax, as arte has been, then ohtani is history.

if they're worried about the tax, then ohtani won't be something they have to worry about much longer.

one of those two happening is believable. both would be a magical season.

i have to say if we got hendriks and eovaldi, then i would be very very happy. i have no doubt that perry has tried to work some trades for SS, but if they were bad trades, then i understand. if they add even one of those guys, then this has been a pretty good offseason, especially when considering the realistic expectations of the franchise being sold.

new ownership changes everything for everybody, but i totally agree that nevin and minasian seem to be in harmony.

you can tell that was negotiated under the previous cba. there's literally zero difference between the AL and the NL now.

my question on this, which is why i said earlier it almost like there has to be more, is where is the MLBPA on that? the MLBPA just let let them take 50-100 million from him and didn't say shit. that has never happened.

that's why i went with obviously. i felt very secure infering his meaning.

from what i know of the case it is hard to disagree. i almost feel that there must be more crazy shit that mlb and bauer know about, but isn't public because i can't understand how the guy has been suspended this long and has literally not even been charged, even so much that the accuser has faced for legal backlash than bauer has. having said that. i'd take him on the angels for sure because i don't know if that's true and i don't care if he's into the rough stuff. i don't care about anybodys sexual proclivities. i'm not up to speed, but i saw a tweet from jeff fletcher about perry and quality of person, which i can only assume is obviously about our odds of going after bauer.

he'll pitch in the big leagues this season.

everything about richards is unrealized potential. no thank you.

i think i could not disagree more. the question on preference of losing with him or winning without him is dumb. it's a false comparison. nobody knows the future. the actions of the FO are based in the now with an eye toward improving their future potential. locking up ohtani right now would be one of the greatest moves they could make towards their potential future.

famous last words. but seriously, i'm going to lean that the bullpen is going to be better than expected. angels are getting close to being a good all around team, they just need to polish it up a bit and have some good luck for a change.

i feel like this is only be looked at through a narrow pinhole perspective. the appropriate times to trade ohtani are/were as such: last trade deadline or this currently ending offseason for maximum return on ohtani package. that hasn't happened because the angels want to contend and want to keep him. fair enough and totally understandable business move. or they trade him this coming trade deadline. if they are not contending and they don't trade him i think almost everybody would agree that is incredibly poor management because now you are giving up a significant return for ohtani, i don't care if it's one top prospect, which i think it would be more because we see that for far lesser players. you can not just give up the player for no return. you're not contending, and you can still sign him in the offseason just like every other team. here's the hang up. if you're contending and he hasn't signed an extension, you still have to trade him from a management perspective. you're giving up too much value. it's a mistake. the angels have done a piss poor job of maximizing their talent on the field, but they've done an equally inept job of getting ANY value out of expiring contracts. perry has been better than his predecessors. he did excellent with marsh, but completely blew the r. iglesias expiring contract. the best course of action which isn't entirely in their control anymore is to get new ownership in here and first order of business is giving him exactly what he wants rendering the rest moot. my last point, and we all know this, don't listen to the fans unless you want to be one.

i understand that the value is reduced as opposed to trading him at last trade deadline or even this offseason, so i won't argue the debatable point on when he should be traded for maximum return, but i do know that we see inflated returns every single trade deadline both for players that will make a significant difference to a teams ability to win the WS and for players that only deepen a post season team. the point that can't be debated is the loss of significant return for ohtani vs. nothing. nothing is the franchise altering strategy that can't happen. i just wholeheartedly disagree that contention mitigates a catastrophic error in management. if the angels want to avoid the whole thing, then the new owners should come right to ohtani and his people and just say what's your number and give it to him. if they're contending, then i think they have a shot of signing him before he hits FA. if they're not, then they should make him the same offer, albeit with a much lower expectation that he would sign. i don't feel that ohtani is really the FA diva that we're used to every year, maybe i'm wrong and he fully wants to go to FA. in that case, what i said above stands in regards to management perspective.

just to help. scouting report from last year.

cohen is after the season. he's not a factor

fan base doesn't matter, they're going to hate you when you lose him to whomever anyway. you have to get the haul, if you can't sign the player. we are talking about a significant package of #1 prospects, etc. end of story.

not to mention ward is going to be a top three hitter on this team. he's no fluke.

i understand, but i disagree. you can not just walk away from the package you would get for ohtani. contention doesn't matter in this case. you have to get the franchise altering value.