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11 minutes ago, Blarg said:

He was never an Angels player. 

He was for spring training 

Justin Baugman

Jose Canseco

Trent Durrington

Not a horrible choice, but stuff like this always makes me wonder why other players aren't in the hall. Heck Lance Berkman is comparable to crime dog, Keith Hernandez was a better first baseman. Guys like Grich, Whitaker, Lofton, Edmonds, Finley seem more deserving.

Jeff McNeil won the NL batting title this year, but was only 15th in the MVP voting.

Shouldn't he have been higher since leading the league in batting is amazing and there's no way a player with a lower average can be better or just as good?

What percentage does Abreu get this year?

Didn't Hamilton struggle the 2nd half that year!

20 minutes ago, T.G. said:

No.

Should he be?  Meh... I don't think so.

Why is Molina a HOF player and Martin not?

5 hours ago, T.G. said:

He's probably the greatest defensive catcher of his generation... but certainly not in the history of the game (IMO).

 

And... YES to the HOF question.

Is Russell Martin a HOF?

5 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Not according to Fangraphs.

Ozzie Smith: 67.6 WAR in 2573 games.

Yadier Molina: 55.7 WAR in 2226 games.

Also, catchers have shorter careers, so you really should judge them against each other. Molina is 10th all-time in WAR, which makes him around the level where players become borderline. Ahead of him is Bill Dickey, behind him Russell Martin.

If Yadier Molina is such a sure fire hall of famer, shouldn't Russell Martin be a hall of famer too? Molina has 55.7 career WAR, Martin had 55.0. 

7 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

He's arguably the greatest defensive catcher in the history of the game, or at least top two or three. Held his own with the bat. Average hitter + greatest all-time defensive catcher over 2226 games = Hall of Famer.

Meaning, if he doesn't belong in the Hall, neither does Ozzie Smith. Yadier Molina = the catcher version of Ozzie Smith.

Oh, Ozzie Smith is a Hall of Famer.

Ozzie Smith has 30+ WAR over Molina. 

All star appearances are overrated. Miguel Cabrera was an all star this year.

Yadier Molina was a great player, but people are talking about him like he is an all time great. I know the catcher position is hard to quantify, but his BWAR is only 42.2. There's lots of catchers with similar WAR (in many cases higher) that didn't even get past the first ballot of the HOF. What am I missing?

Jason Kendall (41.7)

Jorge Posada (42.7)

Lance Parrish (39.6)

Thurman Munson (46.1)

Russell Martin (38.9)

Gene Tenace (46.8)

Bill Freehan (44.8)

Darrell Porter (40.9)

Jim Sundberg (40.5)

1 hour ago, Don said:

Ben Weber? Technically a waiver pickup in 2000 if we're splitting hairs here, but dude was a huge part of that World Series team.

Add Brendan Donnelly to the list.

7 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

Crazy that Bengi Gil was our 1B at the start of the year in 2002. 

He only started 5 games at first that year so it didn't last long. He was a solid bench player for a couple years. 

Omar Olivares 

Ismael Valdez

Tommy La Stella.

Darren Oliver 

44 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Kinsler had a .239/.304/.406 slash line with the Angels. If you think that’s great, you’re wrong.

The Angels got Ty Buttrey and Williams Jerez in return. Buttrey in 115 games had a 4.30 ERA with the Angels.

It's not fantastic, but it's certainly not horrible. He also was one of the best defensive 2nd baseman that season. I'd be more than happy if the Angels got another gold glove second basemen that could have a 700+ OPS 

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

C'mon guys, let's get it right:

1B Cecil Fielder, Eddie Murray

2B Edgardo Alfonso, Ian Kinsler

SS Zack Cozart, 

3B Hubie Brooks, Kelly Gruber

OF Raul Ibanez, Rickey Henderson, Von Hayes, Raul Mondesi, Josh Hamilton, Steve Finley, Tony Armas

DH Dave Parker, Shea Hillenbrand

C Butch Wynegar

SP Mark Gubicza

SP Tim Lincecum

SP Jack McDowell 

SP Ismael Valdez

SP Fernando Valenzuela 

RP Lee Smith (he pitched a whopping 11 innings all season and failed to notch a save)

 

 

Kinsler had a 2.5 WAR in 90 games and was traded for two relief pitching prospects. People seem to think he sucked when he was here 

Barria had 1.9 WAR and some people want to get rid of him because of a million dollars?

2 hours ago, Angels Never Die said:

I'm very biased towards Shohei, but I hope I'm being somewhat objective when I say that this mvp debate is simple math, but Judge has the sentimental and the classic team result edge. Judge will win, especially when voters usually want to choose different winners if they can due to voter fatigue.

Judge also has the analytical edge. 

3 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

In 2000 Troy Glaus was so good that they actually called him "Trout Glaus" but nobody knew why.

Glaus had some "enhancements" that surely helped him 

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Ohtani's 27 starts leaves 26 starts to a 6th tier pitcher while reducing 6 or more starts from the 2-4 pitchers, which is worth far less than Judge's 27 additional home runs. 

I'm to lazy to do the math, but your saying 161 innings of 2.35 ERA is worth less than a batter with 27 home runs? 

There's currently 29 players with 27 home runs this year. According to you they should all be paid like a starting pitcher with a 2.35 ERA.

11 hours ago, ScottT said:

Nah.

Poor take. Lol at the offensive percentage deferc3

Math ain't easy 

I don't understand. If you pick Judge, you're essentially saying 27 home runs is more valuable than Ohtani's pitching this season.