Pancake Bear

26 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I don't know how the Angels could have the talent to get those pitchers, but bully for them for trying.

11 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm really trying to see what the Angels could possibly offer and I'm drawing a blank.

Yeah we have Neto, O'Hoppe and Schanuel but those guys are our young core. Prospect wise? Ehh?

I guess it comes down to what other teams actually value. My guess is Perry is just doing his job and calling on everyone. 

You guys are massively overrating what it will cost to acquire Glasnow and Bieber. Both have injuries and limited innings that limit their value. Also, for one year, they're not going to cost a gigantic amount. Taylor Ward or Luis Rengifo probably functions as the primary piece (with maybe a small throw in) that gets you either one assuming the Rays or Guardians front office likes either of those guys. 

Burnes will cost quite a bit more because he's been very good, even with only a year. You'd had to lead with someone like Detmers to get him unless they really did go with a wacky Yelich and Burnes deal, in which case the return would be considerably less.

Cease would also be quite expensive, which is probably why we haven't been linked as much with him. At least Burnes might extend with us since he grew up an Angels fan. 

3 hours ago, mmc said:

No, it’s because he’s an asshole and we’re trying to build a positive culture 

And yet his Japanese team wants him back. Because, y'know, Japan likes assholes and definitely doesn't care that he's a problem in the clubhouse.

He's a high risk acquisition. The kind of guy you really want to make sure your top players will accept as a teammate because you don't want conflict in the clubhouse. 

16 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Top players waiting Snell, Bellinger, Yamamoto plus others would have more teams after them. Same with SD trading Soto if Toronto misses out on Ohtani and goes after Soto his price would go up.

Yamamoto was always expected to be a while after the Winter Meetings. He'll probably sign after Christmas. 

1 hour ago, Chuck said:

You don't need an apostrophe for the Angels my man! 

Angel Hernandez is in the final four?

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Not even throwing in half the salary?   Frees up $6.5m from AAV.

Someone out there could use him for $6.5m per season through 2025?  He does eat up innings (162 innings average since 2021 with 4.10 ERA).

Would be foolish to sell him. The coaching screwed him up last year. Would bet he'll be improved this season. 

3 hours ago, Chuck said:

I hatched out of an egg most recently and became my own birdie. 

Gonna need some more details here. 

I'd chalk Wash's comments off to poor wording except he literally doubled down when the phrasing was questioned and had a grin on his face. Seems meaningful. 

On 12/2/2023 at 6:42 PM, Angelsjunky said:

Let's compare two players, 2021-23:

Player A: 445 games, .264/.349/.443, 126 wRC+, 3.4 per 150 games

Player B: 297 games, .265/.346/.449, 121 wRC+, 3.1 WAR per 150 games

They're virtually identical, with Player A being a fraction better. Neither are true stars, but good, above average regulars.

The players are Arozarena and Ward, respectively.

Worth pointing out, though, that Ward's is based on a really good 2022, followed by a barely above league average 2023 which concluded with a significant injury. Before 2022, Ward was that same slightly-better-than-league-average player or worse. Arozarena had an amazing 2020 (only 23 games, though) followed by 3 full of seasons of a consistent 125ish wRC+. Ward *could* be around there, but calling Arozarena a fraction better feels extremely generous to Ward until he proves he can rebound to that level. 

Not sure why Yamamoto would choose the Angels since it sounds like, unlike Ohtani, he likes the big stage and lots of attention, unless the rumor of him wanting to play with another Japanese star - say, Ohtani? - are true. But since the Angels seem reluctant to pursue other Japanese players as long as they have Ohtani, I just don't see any path to Yamamoto coming here.

Anderson even said that the analytics department mandated a change from how he had pitched the season before with the Dodgers when he had an all star season. That people think coaching has no effect on results is trippy. 

9 minutes ago, Chuck said:

Everyone I talk to seems to think he'll stay with us because that's his comfort zone, but will our offer top other suitors? and will Ohtani's desire to be on a perennial winner factor in? 

I feel like Arte would have to commit to spending more for Ohtani to stick around. Of course, supposedly he told Rendon the same thing, and...I don't recall significant additional spending. 

Someone said Arte's primary motivation is not wanting to see Ohtani on the Dodgers. That feels strangely accurate. Dude can't stand the Dodgers being better.

8 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I do not think Ohtani goes to highest bidder

Per reports, bidding is already over $500m. Even at 12 years that's an aav over $40/. I probably wouldn't go over 500. It's just too much. 

The reality is that as much as I'd hate to see Ohtani on another team, it's hard to justify both the aav and term for a guy who is unlikely to stay heathy and elite (to the degree he would need to do to justify the salary) if we want to compete unless Arte goes nuts like Cohen with the payroll, which is extremely unlikely. 

4 hours ago, BTH said:

Do we have any idea what level of pitching the Angels are shopping in?

It’s been 12 years since they spent big on a starting pitcher in free agency.

Is this the year that changes or is it just like the other 11 years?

They've made some competitive bids, but are yet to actually do what is necessary to bring in a real impact pitcher. 

2 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

Way to go out on a limb when the consensus is Ohtani makes his decision either prior to, or just as the winter meetings begin.

Actually, that isn't quite true. 

Apparently it may be another week or even two, depending how credible you find the sources linked (Boob Nightengale says closer to Christmas).

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

I like those @Pancake Bear.  For some reason I think we will sign either Stroman or Flaherty and I also see Bieber as a fit.  The biggest name traded will be Soto.  I think the Dodgers will trade for Cease as well.

I'd think Flaherty makes more sense than Stroman, but that might be just me. 

Who do you think will be the biggest name traded? Soto to Toronto

Who will sign during the Winter Meetings? With what team? Ohtani. Head says Dodgers, heart says Angels.

Who will the Angels trade for? Shane Bieber.

Who will the Angels sign? Candelario.

5 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

I don’t see any way around the team needing two starters.  I expect them to be somewhat aggressive.

Current rotation: Sandoval, Detmers, Canning, Anderson. Six man, or someone getting sent down?

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

If Wash was smart he would have insisted that they get aggressive prior to accepting the job.

Yeah, dude is an idiot. Turning down all those other offers over the last ten years just to say yes to this job.

1 hour ago, SoCalDucksFan said:

I still can't believe that there are people who truly think the Angels have any shot at signing him.  The reason there would be a total freak out if he did, is that Ohtani is the one who said he wants to play for a team that has a chance to win a Championship.  The 1st question at the press conference to him would be, "If you want to win a Championship, why sign with Anaheim?"  They've shown nothing close to contending for a title.  Can't even make the playoffs as a wild card.

And why do Anaheim fans even want him to sign here?  The team has been awful the entire time he's been in Anaheim.  Sure, they'll possibly be even worse without him, but it's not like he's been some sort of savior for the club.  Having 2 of this generation's greatest ball players, has barely made the Angels into a team capable of a .500 record.

Perhaps this belief that he might sign here, and the desire to have him do so, comes down to the fact of how embarrassing it will be to realize that the Angels let someone of his caliber, get away, and have NOTHING to show for it.  Heck, they could have traded him a year ago, or even a couple of months ago, and at least got something in return.

But the owner is a dip&*it, and really only cares about the billions he's going to make when he eventually sells the team, whether Ohtani is on the roster or not.

I think you stumbled onto the wrong site. You need to take that left turn at Albuquerque for Dodgerswin. 

57 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I don’t think he was implying that they would get two outfielders.

Then he'd say left field or right field. He wouldn't say both. Considering the Dodgers of all teams just signed a sub-2 WAR corner outfielder, I'm thinking we don't need more than one.

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Biggest concerns:
Starting Pitching
Bullpen
Third Base
Left Field
Right Field
 

They need a lot to compete.

Don't be ridiculous. They're not getting two outfielders.

2 hours ago, Second Base said:

I doubt it's "down to" such and such teams. This operates under the implied assumption that this person has inside information with Ohtani and his agent. 

No team, not even the Angels have any such information, let alone some random beat reporter. 

Remember when he signed with the Angels? What was Eppler's reaction? He fell out of his chair. He had no idea which direction Ohtani was leaning. 

I think this will be the same thing. 

I believe the reports on teams that are out. As far as teams that are in...I mean, it comes down to who has both the interest (pretty much everyone) and the money to make it work. The teams that are out mostly have the money and are out either because they don't think Ohtani is interested or they don't think the price works for them. Now, Passan mentioned Dodgers, Angels, Cubs, Blue Jays, and maybe Giants. We don't know how seriously Ohtani has interest in each of those teams, but they're interested and haven't gotten the sense their opportunity is over. That's the sense in which I understand the report. 

As far as the Angels' surprise...I mean, they were one of, what, eight teams on his short list? So it wasn't as surprising as if he'd picked someone not on his list....

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

There are a lot of team (Angels included) that aren’t in need of a full time DH. 

And yet, per Jeff Passan, they're still in.