Halodays

2 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

 

Yeah probably, though I don't think Price is as bad as Wells was when we got him, and relatively less expensive. 

What does that an equivalent trade end up looking like? Price for Goodwin, and La Stella maybe?

Hell no!! 

Anybody else getting that feeling that the Angels are going to get shutout in their attempts to sign their "ace"?

18 minutes ago, Barb said:

Like Mike Trout, as a very long time Angel fan, this year all signs point to significant deals. It’s frustrating to read that Ken Rosenthal says Cole to the Phillies. It’s time this year to acquire real quality starting pitching. After all these years, there are two things that will turn me toward the Yanks-no quality deals and dealing Jo Adel.( Marsh probably should be kept too).For those who disagree, they would have traded 19 year old Mike Trout as well. I am tired of buying MLB at bat, only to lose interest a short time later, after looking forward to seasons start. Imagine how Mike Trout feels.

Mike Trout just signed an extension for a boat load of cash so he must have faith in the direction the Angels are headed. After all these years you're ready to jump ship? After all these years I'm excited that the Angels have an owner who is willing to open his check book and a farm system that's on the rise. Good times are coming but if the Yankees look more appealing then by all means jump on that bandwagon.

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

As usual its all about the Red Sox for most of the fishwrap crowd, but, as said, its slow so lets play.

So we would get Price, Eovaldi and Betts on a rental taking on 74M for '20 in the process. 

I assume that would take us out of the Cole market unless were assuming both meaning were taking on over 100 putting us well into lux tax range in fact giving us the highest payroll in mlb for at least the year putting us at somewhere around 240M. 

Bos would have to at least take Cozart back before we event talk about anyone in the top 5-10,  In fact they should be the ones adding prospects to the deal IMO, not us.  They get the salary relief, not that plus good prospects that just silly you do a deal like this to avoid doing that.  And a year of Betts isnt worth enough to justify giving up much. 

Plugging Betts into RF even if only for a year to buy time for Adell/Marsh to blossom isnt the worst idea ive heard, but thats obviously not the real issue.  Is it worth taking on 2 more years of Eovaldi and Price at a combined nearly 50M per.

In the end i would vote no based on how he wrote it, which is in my view very much pro Bos.  its simply too much to take on for 2 guys that you cant count on for 25-30 starts each. 

Now, if Bos wants to eat some of that money, lets say maybe half of Price deal dropping him down to about 15-20M per instead of 32, maybe its a conversation worth having, otherwise, nope.  If we take on that kind of cash and bail them out it needs to be in our favor, not theirs. 

If this takes them out of the Cole sweepstakes it's a big No!!. Rather have Cole than any of the players Boston would be sending. Betts would be nice but it would be a 1 year rental. Both Price and Eovoldi seem to have health issues. Maybe flipping Eovaldi if possible.

7 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Can’t imagine Upton would be involved - the whole point is for Boston to shed a ton of money. I could see Cozart being tacked on because it’s only a one-year commitment remaining, and it allows the Angels to absorb most/all of the salary involved, but it’d essentially take them out of spending anywhere else - maybe they go nuts and still sign Cole.

Overall though, it just seems really unrealistic. Boston could get multiple prospects for Betts as is, even as a rental. They’d love to dump Price and Eovaldi, sure, but, so they really need to? And would there be so little interest in either, whether this offseason, next deadline, or the offseason following, that they couldn’t still find someone willing to offer something up?

A savings of $90 million still if the Sox take Upton. I know this whole trade scenario is absurd that's why I said let's have some fun with it and play along with some proposed players to send Boston's way.

Let's have some fun with this since it's been a slow off-season for the Angels...

https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/red-sox-among-teams-under-pressure-for-hot-stove-splash/

Upton would assuredly have to be part of the package along with Cozart. Now what prospects would the Angels have to send? No Adell or Marsh.

9 minutes ago, ukyah said:

they can't do that. he's arbitration eligible. the only way he's making less than whatever he'd get in arbitration is if he becomes a FA, and that only happens if he clears waivers. in that scenario, i'd think there are more attractive destinations to him than the angels.

Can't they reach an agreement on a contract before he goes to arbitration? The amount 10 million is only a projection right?

Sure. Try to work out a more team friendly deal with his agent. If they can't reach an agreement cut him loose. Dude killed the Angels in Anaheim  late July.

Jahmai Jones

Neither one has done chit in the majors. If you wait another season, the outcome may not be to the Angels liking. Trade whom ever will bring back the most in return which is Marsh

27 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Neither of those Catchers is a primary Catcher. They need offense, and most of the budget is set to get FA starters.

If you could get Contreras for Adams and Rengifo, you've got to do it.

You got to factor in what other teams have to offer. I'm sure there would be better than what you are offering.

8 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Big Papi isn't black lol....

Black refers to the color of his skin not which country he's from.

2 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I love him as our number 2. I won't be thrilled if he's our biggest acquisition. 

If the Angels fail to sign Cole or Stras then maybe signing Wheeler, Ryu and trading for a starter(Boyd, Ray etc.) is the way to go. A staff of Wheeler, Ryu, Ohtani, Boyd, Heaney and Canning should be light years better than last year. It would look a lot better if Cole was their number 1 though.

Ryu to Angels probable?

https://dodgerblue.com/mlb-free-agency-rumors-hyun-jin-ryu-preference-re-sign-dodgers-but-angels-could-become-probable/2019/11/17/

7 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I wonder if Harper's wife's name is Angelie

Harper's wife is Mormon. There are more Mormons in the State of California than any other State. Plus the Angels Triple A squad is in Salt Lake City, the Mecca of Mormonism.

SLC would be more of a learn how to win when you know you're not going to have your best stuff.

4 minutes ago, ettin said:

I kind of think of Salt Lake as a proving grounds of sorts: If you can handle the likely ups and downs of Utah it can prepare you mentally for the Majors?

Exactly!

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

His high AAA ERA = further proof that the AAA Halos need to move from SLC to a lower altitude?

How many innings would be safe for him to pitch across AAA and the MLB team in 2019?

With that thinking, any pitcher who has had success in SLC, should be dominant when called to Anaheim but somehow it hasn't worked out that way.

31 minutes ago, Stradling said:

This is such a cop out.  The agents work for the players.  The players have to know where approximately they want to play.  If Harper wants to play for the Dodgers he can do just that.  If Machado wants to play for the Yankees he can do that.  There might be some sacrifice in years, but at the end of the day if they are going to be happier playing where they want to play while getting generational money, then just do it.  Now if these two wanted to play for Tampa or Oakland then they have to understand they are about to get a ton less than their open market value.  In the big scheme of things, these guys are going to get a shit ton of money.  So if you want to play for the Yankees and can get $30 million a season from them, but the Phillies are offering $32 million a season, pick the team you want to play for.  

Hey I don't like it anymore than you do but they have agents for a reason.  Everybody knows that Boras likes to drag things out and maybe Machado's agent is waiting to see what Harper signs for to get a better idea what he can get for his client. Really I don't care because neither one will be playing for the Angels anytime soon.

Their agents.Period.

He rejected 4/60?....I hope it's because he didn't want to play for the Mets and not because he thinks he can get more money or years. I guess there might be some sucker but I sure hope it's not the Angels.

Unless he's cheap and I mean really cheap, I still prefer Tulo at the league minimum.. The only thing I like more about Harrison is his versatility. He can play the outfield and might save the Angels from having Peter Bourjos as the 4th outfielder.

Why not Ohtani? He's got better than average wheels and had an OBP% of .361. I'd rather have his bat in the middle of the order but the Angels don't really have a lead-off guy. If Calhoun or Fletcher start off the season on fire then they could move them to the top of the order.

5 minutes ago, LAAMike said:

Toronto and 1 year/three million plus incentives that could add another 1 million.  Sounds very close to what he would have gotten in arbitration with the Angels.

Not a good career move. Pitching in those AL East parks is not going to go well for him.

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

he's going to get rocked 

I agree. It's going to be bombs away at home.