Halodays

2 hours ago, mmc said:

Rivas is 3 years younger than Walsh, and put up a 94 wRC+ in the majors this year compared to Walsh's 33 (Rivas played 9 more games).  Rivas also had a 156 wRC+ in AAA compared to Walsh's 86

Yeah I know nothing about Rivas. I was basing it on Walsh a couple years ago. If he could get healthy and return to that player.

Maybe they should have just resigned Jared Walsh to a minor league contract. We know what he’s capable of doing when he’s right. These others have yet to hit in the majors.

I’ve always thought that maybe Ohtani and the three ring circus media frenzy that followed him around was probably a distraction. Throw in a little jealousy and envy and that might be a recipe for disaster. Of course not one player will admit to any of that but you know it’s something that probably existed.

I don’t care to hear their explanation unless it starts with “we fucked up” and ends with “we have a lot of spending to do “

Yes. 

1 hour ago, mmc said:

Yep, it’s a two way street…. If you want to get upset about a lack of “loyalty” from Ohtani, you should be equally upset that Arte refused to adequately support Ohtani during his tenure here by spending as much as he could and surpassing the tax

That’s quite the conundrum. How do you spend to go over the tax threshold and then have money you need to re-sign Ohtani? 

It means today what it meant yesterday. The Angels have and will always play second fiddle to the Dodgers. Everybody knows that. Arte knows it but he’s in no position to do anything about it. You can’t compete with that kind of money. If Mike Trout wanted to leave, he’d request a trade. He’s stated he wants to win and he wants it to be the Angels. Loyalty and trusting in your teammates and organization to do what it takes to build a winning team. 

First off, fuck Magic Johnson and his ring of billionaires. Would like to know what the Angels offered.

If this becomes a reality, I am ok with that. I thought I would be upset but that’s not how I feel. Let Ohtani go live in obscurity in Canada. If the Jays don’t win multiple World Series titles then it’s a bad signing on their behalf. They have the talent already there to go far every year. 

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Looking at it OF is a concern. Adell big question mark and out of options. He needs to play every day not twice a week to be productive. Trout has been on IL so much last 3 years and if Ohtani leaves should DH 2 times a week. I wonder how his hand is after fracture swinging the bat. Is Trout hand fully healthy. Moniak did some nice things last season but needs to cut down on his K's hopefully he cannot do that. Ward another Question mark after being hit in face. His return to 2022 playing level would be huge help. Teoscar Hernandez if signed could he be a help? Many IF's on halos  going into 2024 if they hope to compete.

Moniak hasn’t really played a lot of baseball since 2020, Major Leagues or Minors. I’m sure that has slowed down his progress  to realizing his potential. Let see what he can do with a healthy, 500 AB season.

Signing Ohtani goes something like this… 40-50 million a year while Rendon is an Angel. 50-60 million a year when Rendon is gone. No problem  

5 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I’d move Sandoval for Burnes, but it’d have to be close to a 1:1 and that ain’t happening. Unless they threw in Yelich or Adames. Also not happening. 

We don’t match up particularly well with the Brewers, unless we’re sending them pitching, and even then it’d likelier be for some of their ridiculous outfield depth. Maybe Adames. Maybe Devin Williams. Sandoval being able involved in a Burnes trade basically just opens another rotation spot they need to spend to fill. 

It’s easier to find starters available to fill the 3-5 slots than a top of the rotation starter so if that were case I’d would welcome it.

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

What young talent do Angels have to get Burnes? So many other teams would have better players to offer. Maybe Silseth or Daniels can be the next Burnes given some time. Brewers will be in rebuild wanting good young players who are MLB ready. They are going to extend 19 year old and build a team around him. 

That’s the thing, the Angels are not in the want to wait mode. Either one of the pitchers you mentioned or both in a package for Burnes might help get it done but they will probably have to include a couple more prospects. Maybe the Brewers would be willing to take Sandoval or Detmers to lessen the prospect load.

7 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Young pitchers like Silseth and Daniels add these 2 with Canning, Detmers and Sandoval. Angel's please do not spend 100 or 150 or 200 mill on a pitcher

Minasian has stated that they want to win and will be aggressive this offseason. I don’t see how adding Daniel’s and Silseth qualifies as being aggressive and helps them win this year. This team needs top of rotation pitchers. Ohtani,Snell and trade for Corbin Burnes. Snell and Burnes lead the staff in 2024 then Ohtani, Snell in 2025. The Angels can extend Burnes(who grew up an Angels fan) or trade him at the deadline for pitching prospects. Would love to see a rotation in 2025 with Ohtani,Burnes and Snell at the front.

15 minutes ago, angels1963 said:

I think it's much money for Snell, he's a 5 or 6 inning that was really only good for half of last season and I believe the Angels would to give up a draft pick as well. I'd like to see Ohtani resign then go get Eduardo Rodriguez and Jordan Hicks that's it.

Can you lose a top 10 pick now? It used to be they you couldn’t.

11 minutes ago, Stradling said:

The Padres are cutting payroll and the Dodgers aren’t signing everyone. How many premium free agents have the Dodgers signed the last five years? 2?

I don’t know if the Padres are cutting costs or they’re not willing to meet Soto’s expected contract demands so by trading him, they save this year and give themselves room to make a splash this year and in the future. The Dodgers are the Dodgers. Always in on every top free agent if there is a need and have boat loads of money.

17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Why do you think that?  

Because free agents are more likely to go to the Dodgers or Padres if So. Cal is their preferred destination. Also not having been a contender in a long while possibly has something to do with it.

Definitely the owner.

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

Plus top players usually go to contenders.

Exactly 

Same thing different year. Too many other teams have the same needs as the Angels and will outbid them on any top free agent. They will have to settle for scraps again.

Fletcher at SS. Trade for Jorge Polanco

I guess he wasn't as legendary to the teams as he was in hid own mind.

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

If Ohtani comes back like late May be a big plus

Why would Ohtani have to wait until late May?

8 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

This is why I'm actually a fan of the idea of pursuing someone like Quintana as one option to fill out our rotation.  He's coming off a down year, but he'll likely require a max of a 2 year commitment, or more likely just one year, and he'll be only 32 years old at the start of the season.  The best teams tend to find undervalued players who are coming off down years and help them re-discover their form.  Quintana has incentive to sign just a one-year deal to re-establish his value and re-enter free agency in a better offseason (i.e., not this offseason).

Instead of buying high on someone like Bauer, who is coming off a career season, or trading for someone who just had their best season, perhaps it is wise to invest in someone who has an otherwise fairly strong pedigree but just had one down year.

I don't think Quintana is better than what the Angels have. He's had more than just one down year pitching for the Cubs. Chances are he's seen his better days.

3 hours ago, Warfarin said:

On a somewhat related note, I think there's a 50/50 chance we end up drafting a catcher with our top overall pick.  Given we have literally no catching in the pipeline to speak of, and given how much we have been linked to catchers this offseason, I have to think that Minasian will want a catcher he can groom and develop as his top overall pick, even before a SP prospect.

I hope not. I'd rather have more than half the Angel's top 10 prospects be pitchers. Every year teams are looking for pitching. Having a shit ton of pitching prospects in the minors can get you anything. Even a top catching prospect.