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Exactly.. did we really do anything to win him or were we just the only team that could offer what he wanted where he wanted to be? We lost that advantage, everyone is fair game now, if the truth is he would have preferred the Dodgers all along there is little if anything we can do. Now thats pure speculation of course, but if he wont sign an extension, youve got to consider trading him.. to lose him for nothing is gross incompetence.

Well, you cannot win the WS without making the playoffs so... Seriously though winning the WS is often as much about health and hot streaks as talent, the best team doesnt always win it, but you have to actually be in the mix to have that chance so i think i would take the post every year over a guaranteed one win and a decade of irrelevance. We've experienced both or close to it so... yeah, feel pretty confident in saying that

This If this wa ANY other player, this would be a no brainer. He signs, or you deal him, end of story. If he walks for nothing we are the biggest idiots in this history of the game.

And there goes any hope of a quick sale... thanks council

Thank you for the reminder why i dont post more here anymore.. carry on.

A couple isolated examples aren't that telling, you could probably find many of them... and i do think the extra 50 innings factor in... BUT, the bottom line is virtually no top dollar FA SP contract ever gives value. Yesterday Yankee fan was on their knees for Cole, and yet they have been screaming to get rid of him all season. Verlander is the probably Cy winning in the AL and he got hammered. I still think Hou feels better about JV than Yankee fan does about Cole.

I pray this is true and it happens that fast. Ill be shocked, but pleasantly surprised. Its what the franchise needs to happen though in my view as a season of a lame duck owner would be potentially devastating on many fronts.

I think it should be, it make sense, we have depth in some areas and lack it in others.

True, but not the point

Do you realistically expect Arts with spend anything as a lame duck? He wouldn't go above set budget levels when he wasnt he certainly wont on his way out the door. will thedeal be done, no, but hopefully far enough along that they will have some input to get things done or its going to be a rough year watching a mostly Trash panda lineup in Ana.

Realistically, no. But one can still hope. The simple fact is this, if its not, then next season will likely be worse.

There should be an options for "it depends on who the owner is / how fast the sael completes". If we go into ST with Arte still at the helm, it will be Nevin IMO. A lame duck isnt going to make drastic changes and no one will want to come in under him knowing a change is coming.

You think they don't do the same? The goal is to generate clicks, the retraction always gets buried. Ill admit i should not have implied all, but other than that, yeah, not a lot of difference.

As with so many today hes in such a hurry to try to be first, he skipped the research completely. Pretty much the thesis for so-called journalists today.

Early realistic favorites to me are Ballmer, Kroenke, or Lacob.

Yeah, im one of them. Coaching matters. Yes these guys are pros with more natural ability to play the game in most cases than any of these coaches, but that cant see themselves they cant always make the adjustments without help. Even Trout slumps, and i dont think anyone here would suggest any coach has more talent. Some people are great players, some are great coaches, few are both. Do they make players better than they are, no, but they certainly see when those players are off or doing something different. The one thing i know to be true is that far too many guys have done better after leavings us, than they did with us. Add to that a lot of guys that spend time on the farm and come back better from hearing different voices.

Youre suggesting that, is comparable to what Cohen has done? We have very different definitions, lol

When he does what Cohen did, not one guy but a whole off season, well talk, till then, this is a failed example.

All true, but the one thing you cannot say in any of those cases is that they didnt try. Thats the point. Right now to win anytime in the next few seasons, spending is our only out... you cant speed up time and develop guys ahead of their due dates.

I hope this is where we are all at, but me personally im struggling to be supportive right now. Im not a fan of Artes checkbook/balance sheet, im a fan of the club. He needs to decide once and for all who he wants to be as an owner. Arte came in talking about taking the LA market, whatever happened to that? Hes not a fool he had to know what that was going to take... and this is not it. He started on a path, then right at the point where is started to get real, everything suddenly changed. Cohen has had one year in NY and could fuck up the next 20 and Mets fans will never say a word. Same with other clubs that no one can doubt they made their best effort to win, Padres etc... Being a fan of those clubs right now must feel amazing. Seeing our team fail time after time in recent season each time of fully self inflicted wounds, is becoming very hard to swallow. There is no version of this that we can give Arte the benefit of the doubt, he has 100% put a financial number, or on field performance. I might have believed that was the best we could do till the land deal, i think thats what killed my support if im being honest... there is no reality where he could pull that off, and not be able to do more for the team to build a winner... leaving me only one conclusion, he chose this. and yeah, im really struggling to support hat right now. We talk about greedy owner that put the bottom line over payroll, how they are all thats wrong with the game.. well, ours is the thesis for that. He invest to the point hat he maximized his return, and nothing more. Meow, call me whatever you will, but the last few seasons have damaged my fandom to a point i dont even want to admit.

I have been very negative of late, with good reason, but i will say that the one area i think is potentially very bright for the future is the starting pitching. Factor in who is out hurt and who has taken steps and we potentially have a very strong rotation in the coming years with solid depth.

It could be, if Arte was willing to do what it takes. In the end thats the real question, the only question, nd well have the answer soon enough assuming we dont already.

On the short term, yeah, it is, there is no other path available in that window. You want even a chance at keeping Ohtani, the short window is all that matters.

Sure, its possible, but hes had so many chances to do so to date and hasnt. Ill be pleasantly surprised and happy to be wrong. We always seem to find ways to rationalize not making moves, im not looking at one off season, im looking at the body of work over the last 3-5. Every conceivable part we could have needed has been out there, and weve chosen to go in other directions or weren't willing to go where it was necessary to go to get it done. Business, took priority over baseball. I do not expect our payroll to ever go over current levels, we will not go into the tax or even approach it. There is clearly some reason this number of about 180 (AAV) works for Arte and going above it doesnt.

It truly needs a third options, win with him, but the real question is if thats realistic. Is there a reality in which Moreno will go down that road payroll wise. I personally dont think he will. IF these are my only choices i choose the team winning no matter the roster or names on it.