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Why would you when you could get him for league minimum and not give up anything? He will be on someones roster opening day, id put money on that. They may have passed on the trade for PR reason but hes going to be in someones uniform.

Exactly, he embarrassed them... but in the end, it doesnt matter. Im not trying to convince anyone of anything, think what you will, but there is more than one way to read the situation. WE believe which one we believe based on our view of it.

Or, it could be as simple as he embarrassed them and the money doesn't mean anything to them. We believe what we want to believe in the end.

OJ was charged and tried, was Bauer? No? Thanks poor comparison. Believe what you will im not defending the man or suggesting you think hes either or.

i never said that, but the simply matter is he embarrassed them, he was never coming back no matter what the findings. But, in the end it does not matter. What i think he may or may not have done, doesnt matter... legally, hes innocent.

For me this is simple, yes, i would. He was not even charged for whatever freakish shit went down. In my book and per due process that means hes innocent. Its a virtual lock there are guys as freaky or worse in the league. Would i pay 22M for him, no, but i dont have to either... for 720K, absolutely i take that chance In his last two seasons pitched he would have been #1 on our staff by miles. I may not like the man, but the player, yeah, ill take that. Now i dont think Perry will mind you, he talks about makeup and all that too much to appreciate his attitudes and such, but i would rather a GM talk about winning over nice guys. You want another quality SP guys.. there you go. You only want quality starting pitchers that are also quality human beings, that dont have any issues or concerns, good luck with that. So yeah, i would, absolutely, this team needs to win.

And as usual youre going off on tangents... i think ill find the door.

Yes, i did, Was that not your point? that we had too much tied up in three guys? 2 of which performed to their appropriate levels? They were not the problem,, yet you brought it up so... yeah

Well thats moot, we are where we are in that regard and i might remind you that two of those three guys played to their level last year, Rendon is the only one who did not. Would having Urshela have made the team much better last year?

But whats the point if the ceiling doesnt raise with it? Were still projected to miss the playoffs. That likely means Ohtani walks. Dont get me wrong i love the depth moves, but once again the job is unfinished and were relying on luck to be anything more than a 500 team.

Dont drag me into that please...

With respect this seems a gross over simplification. Depth guys raise the floor, not the ceiling. Depth guys keep you from losing 100, but wont help you win that many. Even if we had more depth in recent years, great, we hit zips goals but are still a 500ish team.

I mentioned the names i did only because the lost utility and need an OF till Tatis comes back, and a change of scenery might help him get back on track. As is he starts in AAA as far as i can tell for us so. Again wasnt suggesting a 3 for 1 or anything, just names they might be interested in.

Roll away, enjoy the ride, just dont trip while not looking where you are going.

You dont think moving it in that direction helps?

I wasnt suggesting that he was, just that he would fit a need. And i dont think id like the 3 for 1 thing... just tossing out names they might have interest in. If we make a deal with them id like to try to get Campusano out of there to pair with OHoppe long term.

He opened the coffers to increase sale value, nothing more. Hes get more if the team is competitive. I hate to be that guy but yeah, thats where i am with him.

Trade for Kim, bullpen, maybe SP if you lose one in the trade. Normally i wouldnt like trading a SP for a position guy but that hole must be filled. Pads lost their utility guys in Drury/Profar and a lot of back end SP in FA and will need something in the OF till Tatis gets back so maybe something involving Rengifo/Adell... plus obviously. Its a reach, but it might work, probably wishful thinking im sure.

Most people are going to clutch their pearls here and say hell no hes a pervert etc... but does any of that really matter? Lets not forget, no charges were brought and he was not convicted of anything, by definition that means hes innocent. Our opinion of him as a person means nothing to that. Its a virtual lock that there are many sexual defiant in the league and other types of people that have had drug issues, domestic issues etc... Baurs suspension was in my opinion a gross overstep by the league, guys that were charged or convicted got far less, even for the same type of offense. Wining and losing, thats all that does, and he would certainly help in that regard. I dont think Perry or Arte will kick that tire, it isnt their style, but someone will you can bank on that.

I think you have to say yes and let the pieces fall where they may.

Hes always deserved props in this regard, the problem inst that he didnt spend, he just backed himself against a wall he wasnt willing to go thru in the tax. You cant sign that many top dollar guys then cry budget. I give him full marks for what hes done, 100%, but full demerits for not being willing to finish the path he put himself on. 3 guys are literally half our payroll, the tax was inevitable.

It isnt about brand names, its about impact. I would be just as happy to swing a trade for a SS, but the reality is that we dont have the farm to trade for an impact SS, unless we take on a bad contract or give up guys we shouldnt be giving up in controllable young starters we actually also need. Weakening one area to buff another is generally a zero sum equation. But the simple fact is that SS is the one place that we most needed to upgrade. If Perry can somehow swing a deal hat doesnt cost us Suarez or Sandoval to get the SS we need, no one will be happier than I, but he has zero leverage right now and every team he calls knows it. Thats what position he never should have let himself get put in.

This The problem i that this is what were down to, it never should have happened. Its last call and were still dancing alone.

Significant, yes. Unless you count an Adrus type signing as such. Were not the only ones that need a SS and others can offer more in trade so that option is limited.

do we have any sick lineups?