Angels in 2030

Detmers struck out 15 batters in 6 innings vs Wake Forest. 

Meyer who went 3rd overall has a smaller frame and being a guy who hits the mid 90's there's concerns he may not hold up physically.  Lacy who went 4th has command issues which can be hard to get over as you move through the minors and face better hitters.  Hancock who went 6th has a lower ceiling than Lacy but a higher floor.  Crochet who was taken right after Detmers started 13 of 36 appearances in his college career and was injured at the beginning of the last season.  He's a guy who is getting drafted on potential because of his size and what teams hope he an be which is a starter.  One analysis says if he doesn't cut it there he could be a good setup man but that's not what you're hoping for from the 11th pick.  Sounds like Detmers might have a lower ceiling than many or all of these guys but the highest floor while the consensus is that he could be a 3-4 starting in the majors by next season.  After our luck with pitchers I'll be thrilled if any they draft this year are up and producing with the big club in the next 1-2 years especially if one of them is starting. 

The "safe" complaining is so funny.  This dude is an inning eater who throws strikes and doesn't walk anyone.  You know who that sounds like on the Angels the past 3-5 years?......NOBODY.
Just because he doesn't throw 97-100 people say he doesn't have the ceiling.  The draft and minor leagues are littered with guys who can throw 97+.  It doesn't mean those guys are Aces.  They have to have other pitches, they have to be able to throw strikes, locate, have a gameplan & execute, etc.  It's become this sexy thing guys can't overlook -- like big boobs but a fat chick or ugly.  
Sure i want an Ace....but do you realize that's way easier said than done?  Guys develop into aces....they aren't born.  At this point, i'd love a #2-4 guy who can pitch past 7+ innings (much less thru 5) and stay healthy for the whole season.  Shouldn't we first lower our expectations?  We can't even have guys pitch 100 freaking innings!
Give me this guy....and i'll hope CRod stays healthy and because that fantastic Ace along with Otani.  Maybe Jack Kochanowicz (or Yan/Soriano) becomes that Ace.  But i'll be pretty happy having a bulldog strike thrower #3 (at least) set thru 2030. 

I've read some negative things about Detmers and that not too many college arms can make it off of pitching off a curve ball, but I think it was a good pick. Time will tell, but I believe what separates him is his command. Crochet may have better stuff, but Detmers has the brain.

Very smart pick. This guy will be a solid, professional pitcher. Barring injuries and with proper development and experience he could be long time Angel. 
Don't panic over basically average velocity. It's good enough when mixed in with his other pitches. To have mastered the curve already is a big plus. Of course he has to learn all about major league hitters, but he has the tools and seeming maturity to be a quality prospect. 
Probably the best pro ready pitcher of the draft if everything unfolds ideally.
 

If we pick Detmers, then 3-4 hours from now i'm going to start beating the drum that he's the steal of this years draft and will be a star.  Of course, i have absolutely no basis/knowledge whatsoever to back that up; and honestly i'm going with that same thought no matter whoever we choose lol (unless we go Catcher).

My exact thoughts as well.

For specific player, i'd take the HS arm Abel (assuming Meyer off the board).  He looks the part and a potential special player.  Otherwise any other P really -- i don't care if it's a safe pick or high upside.  Just No to a catcher at #10.  High upside HS SS or OF is usually good, but we have enough of those and especially so between 17-20 yrs old.   

BTW, i was referring to Buzzie, not his son Bill, as a GM.  Anyway, I agree that Bill did some good things, especially late setting up that 2002 team.  Stoneman's best work, imo, was actually setting up the 2004+ run.

BTW, i was referring to Buzzie, not his son Bill, as a GM.  Anyway, I agree that Bill did some good things, especially late setting up that 2002 team.  Stoneman's best work, imo, was actually setting up the 2004+ run.

100 guys is a bit ridiculous and not realistic.  It would be a good move and give you more bites at the apple for developing a young guy into a ML player, but just not happening.  40, making 44 total, is a normal number i'd say.  So in this environment, i'd say 20-30 might be the average this year.  I'm just fearful we sign only 5-10 guys.
Regarding scouts, i think you would be a bit naive if you think the relationship they've built with players and their families do not go a loooong way to signing an UDFA.  There is no money difference, so something small like relationship will be a big factor.  If one team's scout you've seen all the time and talked to a bit is now gone and out of the picture temporarily and 20+ other team's guys are still there -- you don't think those other teams will negatively recruit against the Angels and it will impact their chances?  It will for many guys.  Some may just be from the area and love the Angels and sign no matter what the situation (like i would).  But others....it'll impact some guys decision. 

My top three: Pitcher, pitcher or pitcher.....in that order.

I’m in the “draft the best starter” at pick 10.   I won’t be irate if they don’t because when building a farm you have to draft projectable talent, that isn’t always a pitcher. 

I always look forward to people bitching about us selecting a kid they've never seen play. 

Don't forget Nick Adenhart in 2004.  Also from a P standpoint: Ervin Santana, Jered Weaver, Darin O'Day (UDFA).. Joe Saunders too (not great, but a decent SP for a few years)

You know that answer Chuck -- someone will get upset no matter what we do. lol.  That's the fan(atic) in us all. 

Bingo.  that's what i am looking at as well.  
I didn't mean to say previously that the Angels/Arte might not be all-in for winning.  Certainly Arte wants to win and he's been a great owner (better than most).  But it's the WAY it's being done sometimes that concerns me.  I want a smart organization that builds from within (again, the Stoneman Angels path...not the Bavasi path).  Best way to get results is to hire good scouts, baseball people, development coaches, etc. and spending on the right places (i.e., internal).  Here we are presented with a great opportunity.  Will we take advantage of it?  I'm optimist...but very concerned at the same time (due to history and the recent scouts issue).  

Bingo.  that's what i am looking at as well.  
I didn't mean to say previously that the Angels/Arte might not be all-in for winning.  Certainly Arte wants to win and he's been a great owner (better than most).  But it's the WAY it's being done sometimes that concerns me.  I want a smart organization that builds from within (again, the Stoneman Angels path...not the Bavasi path).  Best way to get results is to hire good scouts, baseball people, development coaches, etc. and spending on the right places (i.e., internal).  Here we are presented with a great opportunity.  Will we take advantage of it?  I'm optimist...but very concerned at the same time (due to history and the recent scouts issue).  

I'm only gonna be upset if when the draft is done they fail to go out and sign 40+ guys to 20k contracts...   It would be the Baldoquin situation on roids

You know that answer Chuck -- someone will get upset no matter what we do. lol.  That's the fan(atic) in us all. 

You know that answer Chuck -- someone will get upset no matter what we do. lol.  That's the fan(atic) in us all. 

All that social media stuff just seems like a cesspool and the end of civilization.  It's like the future world/people leftover in that movie Idiocracy (2006).  Just human waste.  Glad i never ventured into it.  I'm relatively young, yet i have never had (nor been on) My Space, Facebook, twitter, tic tok (is that something?) or any other of them.  Well, i guess some might throw this into it too...but...

All that social media stuff just seems like a cesspool and the end of civilization.  It's like the future world/people leftover in that movie Idiocracy (2006).  Just human waste.  Glad i never ventured into it.  I'm relatively young, yet i have never had (nor been on) My Space, Facebook, twitter, tic tok (is that something?) or any other of them.  Well, i guess some might throw this into it too...but...

All that social media stuff just seems like a cesspool and the end of civilization.  It's like the future world/people leftover in that movie Idiocracy (2006).  Just human waste.  Glad i never ventured into it.  I'm relatively young, yet i have never had (nor been on) My Space, Facebook, twitter, tic tok (is that something?) or any other of them.  Well, i guess some might throw this into it too...but...

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