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Comparing someone like Brandon Wood to Adell is comparing apples to oranges.  Wood was a top prospect and dominating the minors a year or two before the Mitchell Report came out.  I am not saying Wood was juicing, but stuff was going around all over the minors.  So, any stat from that era I take with a grain of salt.  Yes, it is theoretically possible Adell could crap himself and flame out.  It is much more probable, however, that at a minimum he turns out to be somewhere between an above average outfielder with pop and a perennial all-star.  The biggest question about Adell coming out of the draft was his ability to hit for average.  But, thus far he's show he can hit for average.  I imagine he'll be a bit shell shocked when he first gets to the majors, but he'll settle in shortly. 

It was clearly time.
Last straw, close game and he craps the couch bigtime.
DFA Garcia next, dude has an awful WHIP and soaring ERA.

We've hit a point in the season where it's time to acknowledge what's been going on with our pitching in the minors. Especially Burlington and Inland Empire. We'll likely start seeing a couple of these guys move up to IE/Mobile within the next month or so.
Last season, the Angels minor leagues saw only 13 pitchers start 20+ games - and of those, only 11 topped 100 innings. 
Within that group only three had an ERA below 4.00: Suarez at 3.92, Canning at 3.65, and Madero at 3.49. Eight had an ERA over 4.50, and four of those had an ERA over 6. It was not pretty.

This year is shaping up to be quite different - even with Canning and Suarez having hardly thrown any minor league innings. 

PATRICK SANDOVAL - 6'3", 190, LHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2015 (11th Rd.)
(AA/AAA): 4.47 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, .278 BAA, 21 BB, 57 K in 44.1 IP across 12 G/11 GS
Dominant in Mobile (32 K in 20 IP), Sandoval has slowed some in SLC (5.18 ERA, 2.14 WHIP) but is still the Angels next-best SP prospect.

LUIS MADERO - 6'3", 185, RHP, 22 years old, signed in 2013 (Intl. FA), acquired by LAA via trade
(A+/AA): 3.04 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, .251 BAA, 17 BB, 59 K in 56.1 IP across 12 G/10 GS
Madero has had no issues adjusting to AA, and could find himself working in the Angel bullpen in September.

JEREMY BEASLEY - 6'3", 215, RHP, 23 years old, drafted in 2017 (30th Rd.)
(AA): 3.33 ERA, 1.44 WHIP, .256 BAA, 24 BB, 51 K in 54 IP across 12 G/11 GS
Bulldog Beasley continues to exceed expectations. Strong GB (55%) and swinging strike (16%) tendencies, sort of like pre-2019 Cahill. Allowed 2 R or fewer in 9 of 12 games.

JESUS CASTILLO - 6'3", 205, RHP, 23 years old, signed in 2011 (Intl. FA), acquired by LAA via trade
(AA): 3.41 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .265 BAA, 17 BB, 51 K in 66 IP across 13 G/11 GS
Currently leads the org in innings pitched, has rebounded from a poor 2018. Has allowed 2 or fewer runs in 11 of 13 appearances.

ANDREW WANTZ - 6'4", 235, RHP, 23 years old, drafted in 2018 (7th Rd.)
(A+/AA): 3.33 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, .211 BAA, 19 BB, 64 K in 54 IP across 12 G/7 GS
After posting a gaudy 47 K in 23 relief IP last year, Angels surprisingly stretched him out to a starter. He hasn't missed a beat. K/9 near 11.

DENNY BRADY - 6'1", 200, RHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2017 (7th Rd.)
(A+): 3.06 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, .228 BAA, 20 BB, 65 K in 53 IP across 12 G/7 GS
As steady and consistent as a minor league arm can be, has yet to allow more than 3 R in a game.

KYLE BRADISH - 6'4", 190, RHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2018 (4th Rd.)
(A+): 3.50 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, .228 BAA, 20 BB, 58 K in 43.2 IP across 11 G/7 GS
A little wild, a little inconsistent, but has shown flashes of straight dominance in a trio of starts:
4/23: 4 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K, 5/9: 5 IP, 7 H, 0 R, BB, 9 K,  5/21: 5.1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 12 K
OLIVER ORTEGA - 6'0", 165, RHP, 22 years old, signed in 2015 (Intl. FA)
(A+): 3.26 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, .203 BAA, 33 BB, 74 K in 58 IP across 12 G/11 GS
Who would have guessed Oliver Ortega would be leading the Angels org in strikeouts in mid-June? Who even knows who Oliver Ortega is?

AARON HERNANDEZ - 6'1", 170, RHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2018 (3rd Rd.)
(A+): 4.26 ERA, 1.74 WHIP, .279 BAA, 21 BB, 35 K in 31.2 IP across 9 G/7 GS
Yet to find a groove, but still posting decent numbers with swing-and-miss stuff, and a decent repertoire of pitches. 

CRISTOPHER MOLINA - 6'3", 170, RHP, 22 years old, signed in 2013 (Intl. FA)
(A): 2.61 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, .193 BAA, 22 BB, 65 K in 58.2 IP across 12 G/9 GS
Stumbled a bit in last three games, but prior, had posted a 1.25 ERA and .167 BAA through first 9 appearances.

JOSE SORIANO - 6'3", 168, RHP, 20 years old, signed in 2016 (Intl. FA)
(A): 2.47 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, .201 BAA, 35 BB, 70 K in 62 IP across 13 G/11 GS
Not far behind Sandoval from being the Angels best SP prospect - only 2 HR allowed, a 55% GB rate, a little erratic, but big-time potential.

HECTOR YAN - 5'11", 180, LHP, 20 years old, signed in 2015 (Intl. FA)
(A): 3.86 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, .220 BAA, 26 BB, 66 K in 44.1 IP across 12 G/8 GS
Lots of swing-and-miss stuff could lead Yan into top-of-rotation potential, but he'll need to work more efficiently and get a handle on the walks. Only 1 HR allowed.

COLE DUENSING - 6'4", 175, RHP, 21 years old, drafted in 2016 (6th Rd.)
(A): 4.36 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, .250 BAA, 33 BB, 51 K in 44.1 IP across 12 G/9 GS
Absolutely awful in 2017-2018, with an ERA near 10.00, Duensing's dramatic turnaround offers hope for brighter days still ahead.

KYLE TYLER - 6'0", 185, RHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2018 (20th Rd.)
(A): 4.31 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .217 BAA, 19 BB, 53 K in 54.1 IP across 12 G/9 GS
Another reliever converted to the rotation, Tyler throws strikes (65%) coupled with a strong GB rate (53%), quietly producing and putting himself into the mix.

ROBINSON PINA - 6'4", 180, RHP, 20 years old, signed in 2017 (Intl. FA)
(A): 3.22 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, .193 BAA, 32 BB, 61 K in 50.1 IP across 12 G/7 GS
Steady and consistent, in three pro seasons, has yet to allow an ERA over 3.68, averaging over 10 K per 9, only 7 hits per 9, and a total of 5 HR in 145.2 IP.

LUIS ALVARADO - 6'4", 210, RHP, 22 years old, drafted in 2018 (17th Rd.)
(A): 2.25 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, .186 BAA, 22 BB, 60 K in 48 IP across 12 G/7 GS Has allowed 2 or fewer earned runs in all but one game, and only 3 ER in the other.

Even more exciting is that still doesn't take into account the 2019 draftees who could ultimately join this list - Jack Kochanowicz, Erik Rivera, Garrett Stallings, Zach Peek, Davis Daniel, Zach Linginfelter - or the legitimate SP prospects who have been injured - Chris Rodriguez, James Swanda, Stiward Aquino - or the other arms who either have had enough prospect pedigree or success to still enter the picture, such as Cooper Criswell, Luke Lind, Connor Van Scoyoc, Jose Natera, Emilker Guzman, Jerryell Rivera, Kelvin Moncion, or Jason Alexander.

The growth we've seen this year - both in terms of development and depth added - is quite frankly, staggering, and given the number of arms drafted in 2019, only likely to grow. 
With Eppler's aggressive promotions, the use of multi-inning relievers. 6-man rotations, and 'tandem' starters, there's a chance we see a lot of these arms start reaching the majors as soon as late 2020 or in 2021. 

That is as dependent upon his ability on the diamond as it is his ability in the classroom and his dorm room. How quickly he picks up some of the language and customs, how he interacts with his teammates, how dedicated he is in the gym and with his nutrition plan, how he handles a daily schedule, if he's on time to the ballpark and lights out. 
It's an academy, a school of sorts. 
Personally, I think this is where the Braves and Angels went wrong with Maitan. They obviously felt Maitan was too advanced on the diamond for the academy. But the end result was a disengaged teammate, a kid that put on 40 bad pounds in less than a year and showed little interest in the language or the gym. 
When the Angels signed him, they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. For the sake of his confidence, they couldn't demote him back to the academy, but at the same time, he needed time to develop on the diamond and off the field. 
The results have been so-so. He's become a much better teammate, is getting better with the language, lost 30 pounds of fat and put on 20 of muscle. But as far as his performance on the diamond, he's slow in making the adjustments. He really could've used that year on the island for development at many levels. I'd argue that he probably could've used another year in Orem, but again, you have to worry about his confidence. That would be three straight years in stateside rookie ball. But comparatively, with the exception of Adams, he's, the best player on Burlington's roster. 
There's little doubt his numbers won't be up to par at the end of the year, and he will be promoted to Inland Empire next year regardless. But at that point, not only will he be expected to perform, the Angels can keep an even closer eye on him, and if he needs to spend another year there, he would.

this was from tbw after the 2018 draft. 
https://247sports.com/mlb/angels/Article/Angels-Draft-Notes-Picks-1-10-118806467/

I just started BBA last year, and like you have been disappointed with two exceptions.  Their draft coverage is great, and they go more in depth on International guys than other services.  I'll probably cancel after the international signing in July lol. 
But on a side note, I would love to get someone's thoughts on Andrew Wantz, Austin Warren, Jake Lee, and Stiward Aquino for that matter.  Aquino has an incredibly high ceiling, and if they can get his mechanics right, he could develop into a top of the rotation type of a guy. 

And for those unfamiliar, Kochanawicz was expected to go in the supplemental round or 2nd round. It was believed that without being an above slot bonus, on par with a 1st-2nd round selection, that he simply wouldn't sign and instead go to Virginia. It's also believed that if he went to Virginia, he'd be an upper first round selection in three years. 
He throws an easy 92-93 with minimal effort. With a higher leg kick, he'll hit 95 consistently, but that throws his release point off and scored more effort than necessary. Kind of like a right handed Heaney. His breaking ball is already plus-plus and he throws it for strike. His frame shows area for building strength, so in 2-3 years, he could be throwing an easy 95-96.
So the Angels went over slot on someone that will immediately become one of their most promising pitching prospects, right behind Soriano and Rodriguez. Maybe Yan too.

No disagreement with Tropeano, shoulder injuries are very difficult to overcome.
Barria is an odd duck to figure out.
Sone of his peripherals are hard to figure.   But like a Dogs pitcher from the 70s (Doug Rau), he just gets MLB hitters out often enough to be a decent contributor.
Now that he’s here, give Barria a chance.   He pitched a great 5th through 9th innings on Thursday.

Thanks dude ... and I agree they probably relied a little to heavily on Heaney last year.  I think, though, it is a bit premature to cut our losses on Skaggs.  Unfortunately, I think most of us have lessen our expectations on Skaggs.  Now, if some organization offered us a top pitching prospect for Skaggs who is almost major league ready, I would take that trade everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.  But, we know that won't happen lol.  We have Skaggs under control for the rest of this season and next.  I am willing to give him that, and then make a determination of what type of contract he offer him.  But, hypothetically speaking ... let's say Skaggs has an ERA of around 4.20 but pitches a 160+ innings.  And then let's say next year he puts his great 2018 numbers together with longevity together he produce this year.  I know that's a lot of if's, and's, and but's ... but it could happen.  OK, granted, it's doubtful, but it is still theoretically possible.  But then again, I think I have already established I may be a bit delusional. 
On a side note, I know Skaggs's performance is frustrating, but I also believe a lot of our rotation problems is because Seth "Tropeano" Rollins  and Jamie Barria have completely fallen off the face of the earth. 

Oh, I acknowledge that, which is why I clarified myself.  My usage of the word "obviously" was nothing more than a colloquium.  And the immediate response was snarky.  It annoyed the hell out of me, and I probably should have just let it go, which is my bad. For me playing the victim is when posters threaten to leave the board and stuff like that, which I didn't do.  But, I appreciate the salutations ?

Mine is I believe Simba is overrated.  He's a good player (primarily because of his defense), but not the great player everyone makes him out to be. 

He was jumping back and forth for a while if I recall correctly, and then he eventually settled.  Perhaps I am thinking of someone else.  Nevertheless, I've seen minor league pitchers yanked in the 1st inning or below because they would have to pitch in the majors 2-3 days later. 

That's a well thought out post Scotty.  I really thought Thaiss was going to explode after this Spring.  I thought it was a big mistake to sign Justin Bour.  I thought Thaiss should have been given that opportunity to platoon with Albert and play the occasional DH.  Thaiss though has regressed at Salt Lake.  I haven't quite given up on him yet ... there is no telling why his average has dropped.  I am concerned pitchers know how to work him better, and if that is the case, it will only get much worse in the majors.   Nevertheless, Thaiss is one good streak away from being called back up.  So, although I am concerned and a bit disappointed, my level of disappointment isn't as near as it is for Jahmai Jones.

I am not worried about Heaney at this point.  This is the beginning of the season for him, and aside from a just a couple of bad pitches he's been very good.  If he's giving up this many homers after another 2-3 games I'll begin to worry.  Skaggs on the other hand is a different animal.  Going into the season, all I hoped for was some longevity.  Even if his ERA will be in the low fours by years end, as long as he gives us 160+ inning I'll be happy.  He needs to get over the hurdle of not having pitched a complete season.  But, with that said, I think the injuries over time has effected his ability to get stronger and physically develop.  I think he could settle into a solid #4 guy (who may have the occasional great year), but before he does that he needs to pitch the entire year without missing any significant time. 

He was jumping back and forth for a while if I recall correctly, and then he eventually settled.  Perhaps I am thinking of someone else.  Nevertheless, I've seen minor league pitchers yanked in the 1st inning or below because they would have to pitch in the majors 2-3 days later. 

Sounds like a he's about to get called up.  If I recall, a couple times last year Barria was immediately pulled early in the game for the same reason.  Or perhaps, he was showing flu-like symptoms?

I am not worried about Heaney at this point.  This is the beginning of the season for him, and aside from a just a couple of bad pitches he's been very good.  If he's giving up this many homers after another 2-3 games I'll begin to worry.  Skaggs on the other hand is a different animal.  Going into the season, all I hoped for was some longevity.  Even if his ERA will be in the low fours by years end, as long as he gives us 160+ inning I'll be happy.  He needs to get over the hurdle of not having pitched a complete season.  But, with that said, I think the injuries over time has effected his ability to get stronger and physically develop.  I think he could settle into a solid #4 guy (who may have the occasional great year), but before he does that he needs to pitch the entire year without missing any significant time. 

By and Large I am happy with this draft.  Earlier, I expressed concern about our second round pick.  I feel much better about him now (I never doubted his value) knowing that we went all pitching from rounds 3-10.  And, I absolutely love our third round choice.  I posted we need a high projectable arm, and they picked one.  I also believe our system lacks projectable starters, and we do not have the pitching depth many on here claim.  In addition, our most projectable pitcher (Rodriguez) will have missed two season with back injuries.  I am afraid he could go the way of Hunter Green.  But, we certainly went heavy again on pitching and chose some guys who I think could develop into solid pitchers.  Here are some guys I like ... 
Jack Kochenwicz (sp?) and Rivera have huge upside.  If Rivera can learn two more pitches he could be special. 
Stallings and Peek can be very solid pitchers.  The biggest knock on Stallings is his fastball, but it is not uncommon for a college guy to add 2-4 more mph to his fastball as his body matures.  He also has plus potential on a couple other pitches and great control.  Peek in some ways is more advanced than Stallings IMHO but needs one more quality pitch.  If he can get that I see a mid-rotation type of a guy.  
Brnovich and Zach Linginfelter I feel can be solid bullpen pieces.  Brnovich has the best curveball in the draft, but his mechanics hurt my eyes just to look at.  How has this guy not damaged his knee already?  If they let him be, I can see another Scot Shields.  If they complete change his mechanics (which could take a couple of years) he may be a starter down the road.  But I think his curveball alone will get him to the majors assuming he doesn't tear up his knee.  
I know no-one is taking about him, but keep an eye on Davis Daniel.  He has a great fastball and two very good secondary pitches.  He has some control issues, college pitchers often do and that gets better over time.  I really couldn't care less about the Tommy John surgery at this point.  Hell, it seems every pitcher gets Tommy John now-a-days and the Angels are going to shut down most of these pitchers (except for the high school guys) this year anyways.  But the guy has some quality stuff for sure.  
Finally, I want to make one more point on Spencer Jones.  I think there is a chance he could sign.  If the Angels give him a nice bonus and guarantee not to trade him, maybe the lure of playing in the majors in his own back yard make convince him to stay.  It is not unprecedented.  
 

By and Large I am happy with this draft.  Earlier, I expressed concern about our second round pick.  I feel much better about him now (I never doubted his value) knowing that we went all pitching from rounds 3-10.  And, I absolutely love our third round choice.  I posted we need a high projectable arm, and they picked one.  I also believe our system lacks projectable starters, and we do not have the pitching depth many on here claim.  In addition, our most projectable pitcher (Rodriguez) will have missed two season with back injuries.  I am afraid he could go the way of Hunter Green.  But, we certainly went heavy again on pitching and chose some guys who I think could develop into solid pitchers.  Here are some guys I like ... 
Jack Kochenwicz (sp?) and Rivera have huge upside.  If Rivera can learn two more pitches he could be special. 
Stallings and Peek can be very solid pitchers.  The biggest knock on Stallings is his fastball, but it is not uncommon for a college guy to add 2-4 more mph to his fastball as his body matures.  He also has plus potential on a couple other pitches and great control.  Peek in some ways is more advanced than Stallings IMHO but needs one more quality pitch.  If he can get that I see a mid-rotation type of a guy.  
Brnovich and Zach Linginfelter I feel can be solid bullpen pieces.  Brnovich has the best curveball in the draft, but his mechanics hurt my eyes just to look at.  How has this guy not damaged his knee already?  If they let him be, I can see another Scot Shields.  If they complete change his mechanics (which could take a couple of years) he may be a starter down the road.  But I think his curveball alone will get him to the majors assuming he doesn't tear up his knee.  
I know no-one is taking about him, but keep an eye on Davis Daniel.  He has a great fastball and two very good secondary pitches.  He has some control issues, college pitchers often do and that gets better over time.  I really couldn't care less about the Tommy John surgery at this point.  Hell, it seems every pitcher gets Tommy John now-a-days and the Angels are going to shut down most of these pitchers (except for the high school guys) this year anyways.  But the guy has some quality stuff for sure.  
Finally, I want to make one more point on Spencer Jones.  I think there is a chance he could sign.  If the Angels give him a nice bonus and guarantee not to trade him, maybe the lure of playing in the majors in his own back yard make convince him to stay.  It is not unprecedented.  
 

By and Large I am happy with this draft.  Earlier, I expressed concern about our second round pick.  I feel much better about him now (I never doubted his value) knowing that we went all pitching from rounds 3-10.  And, I absolutely love our third round choice.  I posted we need a high projectable arm, and they picked one.  I also believe our system lacks projectable starters, and we do not have the pitching depth many on here claim.  In addition, our most projectable pitcher (Rodriguez) will have missed two season with back injuries.  I am afraid he could go the way of Hunter Green.  But, we certainly went heavy again on pitching and chose some guys who I think could develop into solid pitchers.  Here are some guys I like ... 
Jack Kochenwicz (sp?) and Rivera have huge upside.  If Rivera can learn two more pitches he could be special. 
Stallings and Peek can be very solid pitchers.  The biggest knock on Stallings is his fastball, but it is not uncommon for a college guy to add 2-4 more mph to his fastball as his body matures.  He also has plus potential on a couple other pitches and great control.  Peek in some ways is more advanced than Stallings IMHO but needs one more quality pitch.  If he can get that I see a mid-rotation type of a guy.  
Brnovich and Zach Linginfelter I feel can be solid bullpen pieces.  Brnovich has the best curveball in the draft, but his mechanics hurt my eyes just to look at.  How has this guy not damaged his knee already?  If they let him be, I can see another Scot Shields.  If they complete change his mechanics (which could take a couple of years) he may be a starter down the road.  But I think his curveball alone will get him to the majors assuming he doesn't tear up his knee.  
I know no-one is taking about him, but keep an eye on Davis Daniel.  He has a great fastball and two very good secondary pitches.  He has some control issues, college pitchers often do and that gets better over time.  I really couldn't care less about the Tommy John surgery at this point.  Hell, it seems every pitcher gets Tommy John now-a-days and the Angels are going to shut down most of these pitchers (except for the high school guys) this year anyways.  But the guy has some quality stuff for sure.  
Finally, I want to make one more point on Spencer Jones.  I think there is a chance he could sign.  If the Angels give him a nice bonus and guarantee not to trade him, maybe the lure of playing in the majors in his own back yard make convince him to stay.  It is not unprecedented.  
 

I am lost with the Paris pick also.  I mean, he was good value at 50, and has a lot of upside.  But it seems like the Angels over the last two years have been loading up on SS.  Between Jackson, Wilson (may move to 2nd), Soto, Rivas, and according to MLB.com the Angels are expected to sign two top SS international prospects this year (Arol Vera and Adrian Placenia).  So I am a bit lost. I hope this means they haven't given up on Jackson or some of the others. 
And even though we went pitcher heavy last year, none of those guys projects to be a starter outside of Bradish (who looks like a future #4) and Hernandez (who has really struggled).  I just do not see any pitchers in our system outside of Soriano and maybe Rodridguez (back surgery) that have the upside of Canning.  I hope to hell we pick someone like Bryce Osmond, Spencer Jones, or Evan Fitterer.  I do not believe our starting pitching depth is nearly as good as some on this board claim. 

I am lost with the Paris pick also.  I mean, he was good value at 50, and has a lot of upside.  But it seems like the Angels over the last two years have been loading up on SS.  Between Jackson, Wilson (may move to 2nd), Soto, Rivas, and according to MLB.com the Angels are expected to sign two top SS international prospects this year (Arol Vera and Adrian Placenia).  So I am a bit lost. I hope this means they haven't given up on Jackson or some of the others. 
And even though we went pitcher heavy last year, none of those guys projects to be a starter outside of Bradish (who looks like a future #4) and Hernandez (who has really struggled).  I just do not see any pitchers in our system outside of Soriano and maybe Rodridguez (back surgery) that have the upside of Canning.  I hope to hell we pick someone like Bryce Osmond, Spencer Jones, or Evan Fitterer.  I do not believe our starting pitching depth is nearly as good as some on this board claim. 

I believe its shit or get off the pot time for Thaiss, unfortunately and I think Jones is going to fall a lot.  I see our adjusted rankings as Adell, Marsh, Wilson, Soriano, and maybe Knowles/Sandavol.   I also anticipate Madero and Bradish to make a big jump.  Does anyone know if Aquino is ready yet to pitch again?  I think he has as much upside as anyone in our system.