halomatt

Not spending money on this clown org. I'll go to little league day but that's it.

Hopefully it includes letting Perry stick around and add money to the areas of the organization that isn’t just payroll. 

That would imply he has one

He has unfinished business boys. 

I don't dare ask which others because I don't want to scroll for another five minutes 

Looks like you have some homework to do, @Taylor. 

If we recreated the same questions on this site, the results would be very similar.

If you disagree with the survey outcome it could be just your POV. But from the majority of the threads and responses on Angelswin over the last couple seasons, this poll seems to reflect the members opinions here more than not. 

He just posed questions, it's the respondents that created the data. Whether it fits Blum's narrative is more of an indication he isn't off base with other articles critical of the Angels. This franchise is really poorly run. 

I think Anderson can and will be better. I’m not against Silseth starting as the 5th SP, but I think we’d be setting up our very remote contention chances for failure if we had SP depth that thin. I think Silseth starting in AAA and as the first guy up wouldn’t hurt anything - he’ll get a chance by mid-year either by someone being injured or someone being ineffective. I don’t know that they need to go multi-year for a FA SP, but fully support a 1-year vet FA SP stopgap. 

I think they've been pretty smart this offseason. Obviously the media and the average fan is going to be like lol Angels but strengthening the pen and adding actual depth for AAA is something this org has needed to do for years now. 
They still have work to do but I think Perry has done ok so far this offseason.

Results are out this morning. Take a look if you have the subscription. In all, it’s exactly what you’d expect. The questions/answers that focus on Moreno and his ownership are in line with the most frequent sentiments on this board. The percentages are very high showing disapproval. Good stuff. 

I think he'd have been signed by now if it were only dealing with backlash from the past.  
It's what he's going to say going forward about what happened.  Teams would likely want him to maintain a certain narrative.  
Even if it's 'that's all in the past.  I just want to move forward and help the (insert team name here) win a championship'.  
Right or wrong, team don't want him to talk about what happened and whether it was fair or unfair or legal or illegal or appropriate or inappropriate.  
Bauer would likely never sign anything that forces him to keep his mouth shut and another team can't just trust that he wouldn't without some sort of written document.  Or even with one.  
No one wants to be his soapbox.  
And let's call a spade a spade.  Regardless of his past or future, most of the baseball world just doesn't like him.  

I will be very disappointed if the Angels piss away a draft pick for another over priced free agent. Minasian has been drafting very well, give him all the tools to rebuild this team from the minor leagues. Quit with chasing low return free agents that push back the rebuild another season. 

they did such a nice job last year of completing the team.  
Right now, they have Adell and Stefanic as their primary backups which means about 400 PA min for each of them.  And that's counting Rendon as an everyday player.   The rest of the depth is the JV AAA squad.  
Silseth is their #5 starter with depth of Bachman, Daniel, Plesac, Rosenberg and Suarez.  
They need three more major leaguers even if they are of Urshela level quality.   
The problem with having those high priced guys available is that there still a lot of stupid left for them to do if they want.  
 

I don't care what other teams will or will not do.  I care that the Angels could improve themselves without blowing their wad on Snell/Bellinger and aren't doing it. 
I agree it seems pointless to invest so heavily in the pen and then pin their hopes on health and in house improvement, but that's exactly the sort of thing the Angels under Moreno have been known for.  They have a chance to create depth in the rotation.  They could improve their depth at MI.  They still may, I hope they do but I'm no expecting it.
I'm not as down on them as most, but they are the closest they have been to being truly irrelevant than at any point prior to 1995.

Interesting comp, pretty fair IMO. I believe in Schanuel and expect him to see plenty of playing time in Anaheim this year, but still think it may not be a bad idea to have him work on finding more power at somewhere like SLC for a month or two rather than trying to press the issue against MLB pitching. 

Every team needs mandatory sotos, but they're pretty easy to acquire with a few rondons.

This is the only thing I've gotten excited about so far this offseason.  
I had three things that would make me happy this off season
Keep Ohtani 
Rendon retires
Arte sells the team.  
I mentioned I would be happy with one of them.  
The Angels had a really good offseason last year IMO and did a ton right.  And it was actually working to some degree until injuries piled up like crazy and then they shit the bed at the deadline and went into full desperation mode.  They showered their girlfriend with shiny baubles in hopes she wouldn't leave.  Then some dude with a big goober came along and handed her three quarters of a billion dollars.  
They're actually having an underrated offseason this year as well.  At least so far.  Especially considering that they don't matchup well with the player pool and their current needs.  But as long as Arte is around there's a chance the team could do something that doesn't make sense for them to produce a sustainable winning product.  
Yes, a new owner could be worse.  At this point, I'll take our chances.  

I am ok with this group simply because this is the rebuild the Angels needed to get serious about.
I hope this is the squad, and there is no Snell or Bellinger because that doesn't complete a team, it just adds payroll to an unfinished product for fringe stars. 

By Jonathon Northrop, AngelsWin.com Senior Writer
So its February 5th and pitchers and catchers report in less than two weeks. Let's take stock of Perry's moves and where the Angels might go from here.
Perry's made no major acquisitions - no starting pitchers, no positions players, only bench and bullpen guys. The team as it stands looks to be something like this (with likely 26-man roster in bold and potential first call-ups in parentheses):
C - O'Hoppe, Thaiss (Mejia, Wallach)
IF - Schanuel, Drury, Neto, Rendon, Rengifo, Sano (White, Stefanic, Soto, Lopez, Martin)
OF - Trout, Ward, Moniak, Adell, Hicks (Dozier, Calhoun)
SP - Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, Anderson, Silseth (Plesac, Rosenberg, Bachman, Daniel, Mederos)
RP - Estevez, Stephenson, Moore, Soriano, Cimber, Garcia, Joyce, Ciserno (Suarez, Quijada, Warren, Wantz, Herget, Caceres)
We can quibble with my choices for the 26-man -- maybe Sano doesn't make the cut and they insert White, or maybe Plesac starts the year in the rotation instead of Silseth, or Dozier as a starting OF with Moniak as 4OF, or the bullpen is slightly different. We enter spring training with some interesting roster battles. But including the guys in parentheses, I think I've included all the players who are candidates to start the year on the big league club.
So again, there are no big splashes, just some solid bench and bullpen acquisitions. Given that, it seems we're seeing one of two scenarios:
1) He went "secondary" first and is still going to sign a couple bigger free agents (e.g. Snell, Bellinger, etc) to try to at least give the appearance of contention.
2) What you see is what you get, aside from another possible small clean peanutty move or three. He plugged some holes, but is really just going the budget route for 2024, presumably with the idea being that realistically they can't compete and it is better to think long-term, or at least beyond "win now," regardless of the cost.
The first really seems unlikely at this point. I only really mention it because his moves so far kind of look like the type of secondary moves you make in addition to a couple big ones, and we all know Arte doesn't like to throw in the towel of playoff aspirations. But not only are we late in the game, but it is just hard to imagine the Angels getting some big names because they'd really have to get several to justify it as a win-now strategy. Meaning, not Snell or Bellinger but both...and I don't see that happening. And frankly, I'm not sure how much these guys want to wear Angels uniforms.
Either way, Perry seems to realize that no matter who they acquire, the biggest factor for 2024 success is the players they already have staying healthy and playing better. They could sign Bellinger and/or Snell and others and still go nowhere if Trout/Rendon/Ward can't stay healthy, or if the young guys don't develop.
So in a way, 2024 looks like a "taking stock" year. We've heard that before, but it hasn't really happened. With Trout and Ohtani, they've always at least "kind of" gone for it. But it looks like they want to answer two big questions before determining the plan for 2025 and beyond:
How good are the young guys? Can Trout and Rendon reverse the downward spiral? A best-case reasonable scenario and the Angels are pretty good, maybe winning 85 games and staying competitive into the second half but not reaching the playoffs. I suppose there's a tiny thread-the-needle possibility that they're good enough in July to make some moves at the deadline. But...
But if they show overall improvement to the 82-87 win range, this would enable Perry to augment for 2025 and make a run at it. But if it turns out that lots of young guys disappoint and Trout and Rendon continue to struggle with injury and decline, we might see an actual full-out rebuild, and some kind of fire-sale in July (e.g. Rengifo, Ward, Anderson, Stephenson, Moore, etc).
I know, the Arte Factor. Maybe he'll jump ship and sell after 2024, if the franchise doesn't turn the corner. It won't be as sexy a purchase for potential buyers without Ohtani and with Trout entering his age 33 season, but it also won't be as burdened with long-term contracts. After 2024, Rendon will only have two years left and Trout the only long-term big contract. The team will still have a core of young talent, even if it isn't awe-inspiring. Not taking on any big contracts this year only furthers this. And regardless of the dubious Angels tradition, they're still an LA team and potential buyers will look to 2002-09 as a case of what the Angels could be, if run well.
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