The Ghost of Bob Starr

I have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd golfer.. or did at one point yesterday, but the 1st was on the bench, and i didn't feel like swapping lineups..

I grew up on Hal too. I was lucky to produce for most of those bigger guys over the last 20 years. I missed Dunphy before I got to KCAL, but everyone loved him. Despite working across the street from Hal, I never met him. I heard he was tough, because not only was he the anchor, he was the managing editor. He really did call all the shots. Moyer's nephew does a good job on KTLA now. He's sliding into that Hal mold well, after they were in flux for so long. For me, nobody was better than Moyer.

Go Auburn!

I will miss hearing him call games.

Great announcer, former player passed away. Oh Doctor.

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Based on another conversation, I'm curious how fans here define the club over its existence. I imagine the answers will vary widely based on the age of the fans. There are a lot of guys on here that were fans from the beginning. There are fans like me who started in the mid 70s and remembered mostly empty stadiums on nights when future HOFs would face each other on the mound. There are also fans who arrived after 2002, a magical year that made up for lots of heartache. How do you see the club? Obviously the dynamic of the team has changed. I would argue that the "Yes we can" guys from 79 are different from the "86" guys and different from the Mo Vaughn era teams like the 2002 team. I see the club as being a fun club in the 60s (Clyde wright) to a tougher club in the 70s, that became skilled at various positions to make the playoffs twice in the 80s to a lost team in the 90s (the bus crash didn't help) to the grittiest team in 02, to a team today struggling to find an identity. But I believe Trout is the guy to make this team like the Cleveland Naps, or Cobb's Tigers, or the DiMaggio Yankees, Williams' Red Sox. Is there a player that personifies the Angels or a word or description that best describes the club to you? I know this seems like a topic that would be buried on a 9am slot on the MLB channel, but clearly everyone sees this team, its current players, and its history very differently despite all sharing a love for the Angels.

Boy, Salmon defines the Angels? Interesting. If I had to define the Angels, I would call them massive underachievers and incredible chokers that subjected their fans to many years of misery and depression. As much as I think Salmon was A decent ball player who had a couple of outstanding years, I wouldn't say he defines the Angels. Unrelated to Salmon at all, I think I'll make a new post for this, how do fans define the Angels?

Though I do not agree that he's the greatest Angel (I go with Ryan), I do give you thumbs up for including Ralston in your mention of All time greats. But Split, I'm guessing you're someone who is 30 or younger. You don't mention Ryan or Fregosi, or even Grich, Downing, or Baylor. There were others who were good. Tanana also gets little credit for being a decent pitcher as an Angel. He was pretty young when they let him go. 26 or 27 maybe.

Mathis That will add 10+ pages of drivel.

Trout might be able to play 24 seasons.

Thanks IP. I'll check that out.

The majority are not in... with some who are very high and never are discussed HOF like Bobby Grich 71.0

Miles L Berman

Negative on the 60 plateau equals the HOF. Some make it, but many do not. A list of 60+ WARs that won't sniff the HOF Rolen 70 Kevin Brown 68.3 Edgar Martinez 68.3 Lofton 68.1 Beltran 67.5 (active) Dwight Evans 66.7 Buddy Bell 65.9 Randolph 65.6 Andruw Jones 62.7 Cone 62.5 Helton 61.3 Abreu 60.4 (actively waiting for the phone call that will never come) Sheffield 60.4 Edmonds 60.3 (yes he was 20 higher than Salmon) Keith Hernandez 60.1 There are many other guys on the list who played 60s or before (so only Eric and Bruce will remember them, since they were in their 40s in the 60s.) My point is, for how much love Trout is given for WAR, and dude is the best... when you apply that to others that are put on a pedestal, like Salmon, you find him about 10 places below Placido Polanco.

As I was reading some of the AW goodness, I had a thought during my boredom. Tim Salmon is revered here, like good wood. While he was a longtime Angel during some really awful years, I've never quite understood the passion for him, unless most of his big supporters where growing up during that time. Many people thinks his number should be retired, and he's the greatest Angel of all time. How long until Trout eclipses that? Everyone is a WAR buff when it comes to Trout and his 20.8. Seeing that Salmon only managed to accrue a 40.6 in his career, about 10 spots behind sure-lock HOFs, Placido Polanco and Andy Van Slyke, how long until Trout is defined as the best Angel, at least in the argument of best outfielder? Trout should bust Salmon's WAR in his FOURTH season, which might tell you just how mediocre Salmon was. Just curious what the thoughts were from some of the big time Salmon supporters.

Fred Patek. Of course I was 9 and the same size as him. No. Nolan Ryan. Although a lefty I worked that pitchback over with weak ass fastballs and sloppy curves pretending to be the greatest Angel (then and probably now for a few more years until Trout gets there.)

I'll enter and not really give a crap and still finish middle of pack.

Of course someone like Blarg will win the World Cup pool. Right Eric?

Tied for first. Right where I should be since I didn't watch one college game nor could name a guy other than Johnny football.

That's too small for most of the members here.

Reagins added to AW staff to create daily hypothetical "Trout trades,"

Dude is done. Was likely going to lose anyway.

End of the old man's career.

Adios Anderson