AngelsFanSince86

The Mets also want to compete next year though. I could see them trading for a controllable pitcher plus protect(s). If the Angels included Canning or Sandoval, they wouldn't need to include a top 100 type prospect and then it immediately fills a need at SP for the next 2-3 years for the Mets. Not sure that's what they are looking for, but it makes sense to me.

It's keeps switching back and forth. But mostly just boxing...

Incredibly frustrating!

Mine too. Switched to boxing, switched back to the game, and just switched back to boxing a minute ago...

Yes. Angels won the world series in 2002. Arte bought the team in 2003. The team came with the roster that won the WS and a top tier farm. Once Stoneman (hired by Disney) retired, it was a quick downfall. But for the first 6 years the Angels continued to make the playoffs due partially to the original roster Arte inherited and also due to the farm (which he also inherited).

Yes, but they started the road trip like 5 games back from the wildcard and faced one the worst teams in baseball. Realistically they need to average 2 out of every 3 games against good teams. They need to do even better against bad teams. They've done their part against bad teams, but have struggled against good teams. I am ignoring the Detroit series. They need to go at least .500 against the Jays and braves and really should do better than that if they want to stay in the race. To do that they need to at least get 2 from the braves. Otherwise they are still 5 games out when they come back to Anaheim. Keep in mind they went 9-3 in their last 12 and only gained a game on a wildcard spot. That's why 5-4 doesn't even come close to cutting it for this road trip.

Before today's game, yes. Afterwords, we went back to day 1. If we win tomorrow it's day 2. If we lose tomorrow, it's straight to day 5.

Arte inherited a WS team and rode the success and great farm system built by Stoneman. As soon as Arte had to fill the GM position it was a quick slide from yearly to contention yearly mediocrity. Autry was the founding owner and didn't meddle like Arte. It's also much harder to build a winner as a young franchise, especially one being built in the shadow of the dodgers.

That's a good point

Kind of a moot point, but I feel like the package they sent over to the white Sox could have netted Snell and Hader. At least by the trade value website, it would have been more than enough value. Edit: plus, catcher is definitely a position of need for the Padres.

Yep. This is probably the easiest/cheapest way. I have a Roku with the fuboTV app.

My thoughts are this: 1) The trade clearly makes them better. 2) I said it before and I'll say it again: I think they should have traded Ohtani. They have won 6 out of their last 7 and gained like 1 game. Their schedule only gets harder. 3) If they don't make the playoffs and/or don't retain Ohtani, they will go from a position of being able to gain 1-2 top prospects to instead losing 1 top prospect (and their top 2) for literally nothing. Last, but not least: 4) None of that matters because what is done is done. I'm an Angels fan and have been disappointed in this organization for so long. I'm letting it all go for the rest of the season and going all in. I'll be there 8/3/23 cheering them on per usual with a little more optimism this time.

Luckily, Ohtani pitches Friday. Hopefully he can also go 7+ innings. That would take a lot of pressure off the pen.

That isn't my point at all. I'm speaking about his whole history with the Angels. No, he shouldn't play through internal bleeding. Yes, I think he'll milk the injury for as long as possible. This injury wouldn't be as frustrating if it weren't for the dozen others, including several "strains". And he always seems to be on the furthest end of potential return dates. I'm not trying to argue that he's faking this injury or should play through it. Someone mentioned that Nevin and others had commented about his desire to play. I only pointed out that there comments are meaningless because of course he's not going to openly state he doesn't care or want to play anymore. I'm also not saying for a fact that he doesn't care. It's my opinion that he doesn't. I also think he milks every injury. Obviously this is worse than originally thought, but I have no doubt he'll milk it. In other words, I think most players with the same injury would be back sooner than he will. Again, it's just my opinion. He looks very apathetic when he plays.

He had one year where he missed significant time. One out of 6 years. Only other stuff I found was in 2018 he fouled a ball of his toe and missed a few games. Still played 136 games that year. So maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't seem like much of an extensive injury history. I'm not saying he's faking the extent of this injury. Merely pointing out that what his coaches and/or teammates say about his desire to play doesn't really mean anything. And also pointing out the fact that he hasn't been able to play even half a season (with the exception of a short 2020) since he got here. I was listening to MLB radio the other day and they were talking about how a lot of players used to just play through injuries. I think at this point in his career, Rendon doesn't play through one ounce of discomfort. The second he feels something he's on the IL and he won't come off until he's 100% comfortable. That's just my opinion.

I don't know either way what Rendon wants. What the coaches/media says it's irrelevant though. You really think a player would say, "I'm not really that injured, I just don't feel like playing!"? He gives off those vibes, but he also has to deal with the coaches and fellow teammates. It's not that hard to over exaggerate an injury while still acting like you care. That being said, there's no way to tell with rendon. All we know is that he's a guy who almost never dealt with injury, chose to go to the Angels to avoid "the Hollywood lifestyle", and then has been consistently injured.

Agreed. It seems Ohtani places a lot of value on his legacy and so it would make sense that signing with a middling franchise and ultimately bringing a title would be the ultimate goal. Leaving and signing with a WS level contender like the dodgers feels like when Kevin Durant joined the warriors. Sure they won, but it never felt like Durant was the missing piece. Just the guy that made the best team that much better. That being said, if Ohtani really wanted to sign with the Angels, it seems like a no brainer to trade him for some elite prospects to improve their future and then sign him in the offseason. They are still in the mix, but even after winning 5 of their last 6 they've hardly gained ground. After the tigers they have the toughest schedule in baseball. I really hope the Angels and Ohtani can come to an understanding. I do feel Ohtani will not want a trade though because he'll feel they are still in the mix and the schedule doesn't matter. Here's hoping I'm wrong, they don't trade Ohtani, they make the playoffs, and they sign Ohtani.

I definitely understand not liking the name change, even after all this time. However, attributing the Angels shortcomings to the name change is just dumb and speaks volumes about the average Angel fan.

This is a crazy hypothetical that I don't believe will happen, but what if Ohtani pulled a Tom Brady and decided to re sign with the Angels under market? Essentially, sign a contract with several opt outs in the case the Angels don't uphold their end of the bargain. $20M or $25M per year with the assumption that the Angels will do what it takes to build a winner (use the extra $25-30M per year elsewhere). Ohtani makes so much just from endorsements. If he cares more about his legacy than anything else, it would make sense for him to go this route. He'll still make more than anyone in MLB history per year between contract money and endorsements. It would actually add to his legacy to go that route. That being said, I still think the Angels should trade him and anyone else they can. Currently worried they will win just enough to convince themselves they are contenders, only to suck the rest of the season.

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help. That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life. Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers". Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

No way. Unless the team you're trading with places extra value on Anderson, you don't include anyone in the Ohtani trade. The whole point of trading Ohtani is to get multiple high level prospects. You absolutely need to maximize return. Rendon is what it is. Even without the NTC you'd have to pay 90% of his contract for someone to take him. He's essentially a wasted roster spot at this point.

Yep. And then he'll finally go 3 for 5 with a double and a HR, but he'll stub his toe jogging around the bases and be out for another 3 weeks.

Yep. Exactly.

Lol. Maintaining that win % over 71 games is nearly impossible even for the best teams (which the Angels are not). Also, here is their schedule over the next month: HOU, NYY, PIT, DET, TOR, ATL, SEA, SF, HOU, TEX, TB, CIN With the exception of DET, PIT, and maybe SEA, every one of those teams is better than the Angels. And, with the exception of a couple of series, the Angels have been awful against "good" teams (those over .500). I would be absolutely stunned if they play over .500 during that stretch. I expect the Angels to finish the year at or below .500. Before all the injuries, I had some hope they could make the wildcard. But that was before the injuries and before they lost 13 out of their last 17 games. This is a team that needs to trade Ohtani and Esteves and for once actually think about the long-term future of the team.