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The Grinch That Stole Everything 

Makes about as much sense as any other reasoning for the cops response:

I think everyone realizes that now but people are trying to figure out exactly why they did nothing because that's the exact opposite of what they should have done.  Initially their story kept changing and now you've got records of kids in classrooms calling the cops begging them for help.  Even if the message came from the top I don't understand how one of the officers with a conscience could stand down.  Just rotten from the top down.  Like UTH said they need to get them out ASAP especially now that they aren't cooperating.   

I think everyone realizes that now but people are trying to figure out exactly why they did nothing because that's the exact opposite of what they should have done.  Initially their story kept changing and now you've got records of kids in classrooms calling the cops begging them for help.  Even if the message came from the top I don't understand how one of the officers with a conscience could stand down.  Just rotten from the top down.  Like UTH said they need to get them out ASAP especially now that they aren't cooperating.   

I think everyone realizes that now but people are trying to figure out exactly why they did nothing because that's the exact opposite of what they should have done.  Initially their story kept changing and now you've got records of kids in classrooms calling the cops begging them for help.  Even if the message came from the top I don't understand how one of the officers with a conscience could stand down.  Just rotten from the top down.  Like UTH said they need to get them out ASAP especially now that they aren't cooperating.   

The right to bear arms was put in place 230+ years ago and falling back on 'exercising a right' is a farce considering how much guns and society have changed.  None of what you posted about people using pistols, cars, or whatever justifies high capacity magazine rifles.  We're talking about gun deaths in schools or for that matter any public area.  We can't remove all the guns, we can't prevent every unhinged person from going into any area with a gun, we can't prevent every unhinged person from possibly killing a family member and accessing their gun but we can at least try to address high capacity magazine weapons.  I'm fine with 2A and guns for self defense or hunting but you can't sit here and tell me there's a legit need for 99.99% of the population to need high capacity magazine weapons.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161
So according to the timeline outlined by the Texas department of public safety the guy was outside the school for 12 minutes before he went in. He fired at people across the street at a funeral home which led to someone calling the cops, hopped a fence and made his way into the school.  He exchanged gunfire with cops who arrived then locked himself in the classroom and killed those kids and teachers.  
 
Those cops sat outside for an hour until the border patrol tactical team went in and killed him.  The guy was absolutely a threat and they should have gone in. Maybe TORS can chime in and correct me but I can’t imagine anything procedure wise says to not go in and stand down for an hour. They had to have heard him shooting in the school. 

Those who sat outside should be charged, lose their job and their pension but I know pension rules vary by state.  Probably a sacrificial lamb or two and paid leave for others but that's me being jaded and expecting the good old boys club to circle the wagons. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161
So according to the timeline outlined by the Texas department of public safety the guy was outside the school for 12 minutes before he went in. He fired at people across the street at a funeral home which led to someone calling the cops, hopped a fence and made his way into the school.  He exchanged gunfire with cops who arrived then locked himself in the classroom and killed those kids and teachers.  
 
Those cops sat outside for an hour until the border patrol tactical team went in and killed him.  The guy was absolutely a threat and they should have gone in. Maybe TORS can chime in and correct me but I can’t imagine anything procedure wise says to not go in and stand down for an hour. They had to have heard him shooting in the school. 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic again or not.  According to every account reported so far shortly after entering the school and barricading himself in the shooter opened fire.  I understand that if shots haven't been fired then you get a negotiator and try to talk the person down.  Once the situation becomes an active shooter situation policy or just common sense should dictate that they need to go in.  Otherwise said shooter could just go to classroom from classroom killing kids until swat or whatever response team arrives.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic again or not.  According to every account reported so far shortly after entering the school and barricading himself in the shooter opened fire.  I understand that if shots haven't been fired then you get a negotiator and try to talk the person down.  Once the situation becomes an active shooter situation policy or just common sense should dictate that they need to go in.  Otherwise said shooter could just go to classroom from classroom killing kids until swat or whatever response team arrives.

The right to bear arms was put in place 230+ years ago and falling back on 'exercising a right' is a farce considering how much guns and society have changed.  None of what you posted about people using pistols, cars, or whatever justifies high capacity magazine rifles.  We're talking about gun deaths in schools or for that matter any public area.  We can't remove all the guns, we can't prevent every unhinged person from going into any area with a gun, we can't prevent every unhinged person from possibly killing a family member and accessing their gun but we can at least try to address high capacity magazine weapons.  I'm fine with 2A and guns for self defense or hunting but you can't sit here and tell me there's a legit need for 99.99% of the population to need high capacity magazine weapons.

You're asking the wrong questions.  Addicts still find a way I know because I just lost a friend who was one and he hadn't worked in years and this kid would have found a way just the same in the current environment.  I think some of the many questions we need to ask is why does anyone need a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people?  Also what's to prevent someone like this kid who has never been arrested for anything from buying a weapon when he's clearly mentally unstable?  I've got no answers but the current way of doing things clearly isn't working.

There's likely no reason you need a high capacity magazine rifle.  I know people that have such weapons and most of them go out to the desert, get drunk and shoot up shit.  That's probably what you do maybe sans the alcohol and that's not a need.  As long as you aren't getting mowed down by the 0.1% I guess it's no big deal.  Gun control measures or rather getting rid of the sale of certain weapons would be the first step while we try to address the mental health crisis.  No reason it should be just one or the other.  We'll agree to disagree but sitting here saying removing one of the parts of the equation isn't viable because of ________ is a cop out.  Have to start somewhere.    

The right to bear arms was put in place 230+ years ago and falling back on 'exercising a right' is a farce considering how much guns and society have changed.  None of what you posted about people using pistols, cars, or whatever justifies high capacity magazine rifles.  We're talking about gun deaths in schools or for that matter any public area.  We can't remove all the guns, we can't prevent every unhinged person from going into any area with a gun, we can't prevent every unhinged person from possibly killing a family member and accessing their gun but we can at least try to address high capacity magazine weapons.  I'm fine with 2A and guns for self defense or hunting but you can't sit here and tell me there's a legit need for 99.99% of the population to need high capacity magazine weapons.

So when you're hiking do you have the rifle strung over your shoulder in case you come across a bear?  I would think a lot of bear encounters in nature involve those "oh shit" moments where you and the bear wander into each others area or line of site.  I'd think (perhaps incorrectly) that campers in your shoes likely go with a handgun that they can easily pack away and have concealed at the ready while they hike.  That said if you tell me to prevent schools from getting shot up the cost is that hikers can't carry high capacity magazine rifles that puts them at more of a disadvantage against Yogi and Boo Boo then that's a trade I'm fine with. 

You're asking the wrong questions.  Addicts still find a way I know because I just lost a friend who was one and he hadn't worked in years and this kid would have found a way just the same in the current environment.  I think some of the many questions we need to ask is why does anyone need a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people?  Also what's to prevent someone like this kid who has never been arrested for anything from buying a weapon when he's clearly mentally unstable?  I've got no answers but the current way of doing things clearly isn't working.

Hand guns are less effective at killing a large number of people.  We're a long way off from fixing what's going on mentally considering we have zero answers for what's going on mental health wise in this country, see how the number of homeless people suffering from mental illness.  Using your logic someone can drive a large vehicle into a classroom or a crowded area if they want to.  We aren't banning large vehicles but you can't tell me that 99.99% of the US population needs access to high capacity magazine rifles. 

There's likely no reason you need a high capacity magazine rifle.  I know people that have such weapons and most of them go out to the desert, get drunk and shoot up shit.  That's probably what you do maybe sans the alcohol and that's not a need.  As long as you aren't getting mowed down by the 0.1% I guess it's no big deal.  Gun control measures or rather getting rid of the sale of certain weapons would be the first step while we try to address the mental health crisis.  No reason it should be just one or the other.  We'll agree to disagree but sitting here saying removing one of the parts of the equation isn't viable because of ________ is a cop out.  Have to start somewhere.    

Roughly 11 people each year die from bear attacks in North America and less than 1 a year from mountain lion attacks.  More people die from snake and dog attacks.  I understand the need in certain situations especially if you're alone but the need for a high capacity magazine weapon in those situations is extremely low.

The right to bear arms was put in place 230+ years ago and falling back on 'exercising a right' is a farce considering how much guns and society have changed.  None of what you posted about people using pistols, cars, or whatever justifies high capacity magazine rifles.  We're talking about gun deaths in schools or for that matter any public area.  We can't remove all the guns, we can't prevent every unhinged person from going into any area with a gun, we can't prevent every unhinged person from possibly killing a family member and accessing their gun but we can at least try to address high capacity magazine weapons.  I'm fine with 2A and guns for self defense or hunting but you can't sit here and tell me there's a legit need for 99.99% of the population to need high capacity magazine weapons.

Hand guns are less effective at killing a large number of people.  We're a long way off from fixing what's going on mentally considering we have zero answers for what's going on mental health wise in this country, see how the number of homeless people suffering from mental illness.  Using your logic someone can drive a large vehicle into a classroom or a crowded area if they want to.  We aren't banning large vehicles but you can't tell me that 99.99% of the US population needs access to high capacity magazine rifles. 

You're asking the wrong questions.  Addicts still find a way I know because I just lost a friend who was one and he hadn't worked in years and this kid would have found a way just the same in the current environment.  I think some of the many questions we need to ask is why does anyone need a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people?  Also what's to prevent someone like this kid who has never been arrested for anything from buying a weapon when he's clearly mentally unstable?  I've got no answers but the current way of doing things clearly isn't working.

You're asking the wrong questions.  Addicts still find a way I know because I just lost a friend who was one and he hadn't worked in years and this kid would have found a way just the same in the current environment.  I think some of the many questions we need to ask is why does anyone need a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people?  Also what's to prevent someone like this kid who has never been arrested for anything from buying a weapon when he's clearly mentally unstable?  I've got no answers but the current way of doing things clearly isn't working.