BTH

4 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I like that no one’s answered this part of your question lol

This is the only real gripe I have, because I don’t understand it.

I can understand the reasoning behind other decisions, but this one made no sense.

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

BTH. You are focused on Adrianza's plate appearance, which really wasn't a critical moment. Trout with bases loaded was the critical moment and he froze. That is where focus should be, the Angels #1 player is not capable of putting together a decent plate appearance. 

I’m not focusing on that because what’s there to focus on?

He’s who you’d want up in that spot, and he didn’t get the job done.

Not much more to discuss there.

There’s nothing anyone but Trout could’ve done up there.

How is Adrianza’s plate appearance not a critical moment? When you’re down to 3 outs left and the tying run is at 1B with the winning run at the plate, that is a critical moment.

But there was a strategic decision involved with Adrianza’s plate appearance, which is why I’m focused on it. First, he was left in the game despite hitters with better career numbers on the bench. Then, the bunt was taken off despite the tying run still being at 1B.

17 minutes ago, Blarg said:

So you now want Washington to pull Adrianna after a 1-1 count to put Drury in? Do you even, for one second, think maybe you are just too stubborn to realize when your argument has jumped the shark? 

Look, I acknowledge that it doesn’t happen much, but just because it doesn‘t happen doesn’t mean that it should be the case.

Just because something is always done a certain way doesn’t make it right.

And still, despite everyone arguing with me, no one has addressed my main (and the biggest question): why does Adell stealing 3B change the equation on bunting? The tying run was still at 1B, and the goal of bunting would be to get the tying run into scoring position.

27 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

He said he wanted Adrianza to bunt. It wouldn’t surprise me if Adell stole third on his own, which then changed the equation. You’re not going to then lift Adrianza for Drury in the middle of the AB.

But why does Adell stealing change the equation?

Wouldn’t the point of bunting be to get the tying runner (at 1B) to second?

After Adell’s SB, the tying run still wasn’t in scoring position.

And why not lift Adrianza for Drury if the equation changed? It was only one pitch into the AB.

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

Of course you do, from your couch. 

?

The numbers tell you it was a bad decision.

It’s not that complicated for most people.

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

After the fact. 

Just because I didn’t type my thoughts at the time doesn’t mean I wasn’t thinking it at the time.

It made no sense to go with Adrianza over Drury or Thaiss, yet you’re too stupid or stubborn to admit it.

1 hour ago, The Ghost of Bob Starr said:

Kid gets a hit, he’s a hero. It’s baseball. It didn’t work out last night. 

That doesn’t explain why they left in the worst hitter to bat.

3 hours ago, Blarg said:

Okay, pivot to left handed Thaiss and you have no catcher backup if they tie and someone has to play second base. 

I’d rather deal with that and have the game still going than just lose.

“Washington said he let Adrianza hit, as opposed to using a pinch-hitter, because he wanted him to bunt. Once Adell stole third, Washington figured he could get him in.”

https://t.co/UtMcaMXRMH

This doesn’t make any sense. Why does scoring the runner at third matter? It’s the 9th inning and Adell wasn’t the tying run.

I don’t get it.

2 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Honesty I was confused aswell. It did not make sense to me. Maybe Drury wasn't available? 

Wash said he was.

Just now, Stradling said:

So you wouldn’t have let Ehire bat?  The guy you wanted called up, while releasing Adell and benching Rengifo.  

Correct.

I wanted Adrianza up for 2B defense when Drury isn’t playing because Rengifo made like 5 errors in the last week (not an exaggeration).

When you’re losing by 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th, the priority is offense and not defense. So you do whatever you can to tie the game and worry about the defense later.

I don’t get what happened in the 9th inning.

Why did Adrianza hit with 2 on, 0 outs?

Wash said he was up there to bunt before Adell stole 3B. But even after that, the winning run is still at 1B. Wouldn’t the point of bunting be to get the tying run into scoring position?

So why’d they take the bunt off? Or why didn’t they have Drury or Thaiss hit for Adrianza?

From what they showed on the broadcast, no clear question was asked about either of the last two questions. And obviously, no answer was given.

I don’t get it.

Got anything on this, @Jeff Fletcher?

4 hours ago, T.G. said:

It’s funny when you make shit up

I’m not, but ok.

He has had a misplay that’s led to at least one run in 4 of the last 5 games.

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

You also would DFA Adell to bring up Ehire to sit Rengifo. 

Notice who made that error in the 1st?

Rengifo’s awful defense is costing them every night, which is why I want them to add Adrianza and sit Rengifo.

29 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I wouldn’t be against bringing Walsh back and sending Schanuel down to “develop”. 

I would.

Until he shows otherwise, I think Walsh is cooked due to thoracic outlet surgery.

It’s ruined careers for pitchers. And it’s not that common in hitters. Mike Zunino had it, and he retired less than two years after it.

His average exit velocity (84.5 mph) remains ~5 mph below his pre-injury levels.

On 3/27/2024 at 8:26 PM, BTH said:

11-9 record or better.

No more than 2 leads blown (and subsequently games lost) in the 7th inning or later.

No more than 2 games where two runs or less are scored.

Health.

9-11

2 leads blown (and games subsequently lost) in the 7th or latter: 4/5 vs. BOS and 4/16 vs. TB.

6 games where two runs or less are scored.

Stephenson and Silseth hurt, but otherwise OK.

The amount of games where the offense no shows is a problem.

this feels like a game that Jose Suarez winds up pitching in.

hopefully it's with a big lead, and not a deficit.

1 hour ago, greginpsca said:

Teams that have a pen full of guys with options would not need 2 guys, because they can bring guys up & down regularly to rest them.

In which case, it’s Perry fault for building an inflexible pen that necessitates two long men and ends up costing them games when long relievers are forced into leverage roles.

Looks like the Angels passed on Soto this time.

(I think they had priority over CIN?)

I’m late to this thread, but this is what I put on Twitter Monday:

During yesterday’s game, Erica Weston said that Schanuel said the key to his success Wednesday was going back to who he is.

It seems like he was trying to be someone he wasn’t, and now he’s going back to the approach he took last year.

It’ll be interesting to see how the next two to three weeks look, assuming he sticks with his old approach.

4 hours ago, greginpsca said:

I would keep Fulmer over Suarez. Suarez has shown himself to have no value. He has no roster flexability for the team or any other team at this point. Fulmer provides roster flexibility and has pitched much better. Should be an easy call.

And Fulmer has shown a willingness to take the ball even with limited rest.

55 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Hard to keep coaches when other teams will pay better.  Once again, this is an Arte problem.  At one point the Angels had one of the larger analytics departments under Eppler after not having had one at all.  But, when things didn't go the way Arte wanted he wasn't allow to grow it and it's been one of the smaller units since. 

well, Eppler could've kept Bailey and Ecker by offering them the promotions they were getting in other orgs, but he decided to stick with Callaway/Wise as pitching coach and Reed as hitting coach.

Though, yes, Arte's lack of investment in PD is a factor.

10 hours ago, Ochocinco! said:

I’ve mentioned it already a few times in this thread. Amir Garrett continues to mow down AAA batters (as he should) idk if he’ll return to his old self once he’s back in the bigs and stink but he’s definitely earned a call up whenever the opportunity arises 

he should be up in the majors, with one of Fulmer/Suarez being DFAd.

The team shouldn't be carrying 2 long relievers.

8 hours ago, Stradling said:

Yea read what I wrote. I said it’s fairly common AND the FIRST one I remember was the Lackey contract. 

The way you phrased it below is better, but my point still stands that it's not that common.

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

I guess I better phrase would have been it isn’t unheard of to include options like this. Either way it isn’t anything new or it isn’t in the contract because he was damaged goods. Common sense tells you that you aren’t giving $33 million to a guy who you think has an elbow injury. 

Common sense tells you the player isn't giving you that contract stipulation unless there is some reason to warrant the clause.

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

As for the opinion that “the team must have known” or “he was damaged goods” since they added that clause in his contract. It’s fairly common to have these types of stipulations in contracts these days. First contract I remember having an option like that was Lackey’s Boston deal which they also exercised. Actually I think St Louis exercised it after he was traded?  I could be mistaken. 

You say it’s fairly common, but then go on to cite a nearly 15 year old contract as the example.

I don’t think it’s that common, and the inclusion of the option is a pretty good indicator they knew his health wasn’t 100%.