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Ohtani is great. Nobody is saying he's not. He's just not going to be cheap. We've wasted all his cheap years by being terrible and now we're going to pay him 40 million a year and somehow become great? It's not going to happen. We trade him and we can get multiple top tier prospects, possibly out from under rendon's contract (not a deal breaker if it can't be done) Ohtani isn't supplanting any pitching spots from the roster, we still need to roster 5 other starting pitchers so it's not like he can pitch on 4 days rest like other pitchers and we'd only have to field 4 other starters which would make a way bigger boost. With that 40 million a year that Ohtani is going to command we can do a lot more with that than give it to one player that has shown that he isn't impervious to injury. He's not helping us win. We're about to maybe lose more games in a season than we ever have in our history. If we get 3-4 guys that can help us for 6 years and we pay them the minimum until arbitration years and we have the rest of the money to go after free agents i feel like thats an avenue that you need to take. This isn't Edmonds being traded for Bottenfield/Kennedy We can get real value from Ohtani. He's the most hyped player in the major leagues.

Lets say we sign Ohtani then we have literally zero money for anyone and our team is trash even with him and Trout healthy so what are we going to do ? Trade him for useful pieces that are almost major league ready and we can have 6 years of control over or some guys who are already at mlb level with 4-5 years left of control. Ohtani is going to cost a ton to retain. We are already paying Trout a kings ransom. If Ohtani gets hurt and walks or if we sign him and gets hurt and is only a .250 hitter and can't pitch anymore we are going to wish we traded him at his peak. I would at least listen to see what kinda offers come pouring in. I bet some of them will be tempting. Maybe we can even get a team to take on Rendon's contract with an Ohtani trade.

Sure it can happen but it's better than what Washington got for Harper.

You have a good head on your shoulders. We can't win even with Ohtani now and if he goes to another team and all we get is a sandwich round pick for him then we really screwed the pooch on this one. The Nationals did that with Bryce Harper and they aren't going to let it happen with Juan Soto so lets not have to learn from our own mistakes and we can learn from The Nationals. He's going to cost 35million + per year and if he gets injured then it's going to be just terrible. It will suck to see him succeed on another team that's true, but we could possibly get 3-4 players with really good value for Ohtani and will be making a ton less money than Ohtani will be making. We could really turn the franchise around if the pieces we can get for Ohtani turn out to be worth while. We've seen that with The Red Sox that Mookie wanted out of Boston and they didn't get an amazing return for him but honestly they could have done worse by letting him walk away for just one draft pick as compensation.

Lets just move him to left field after he's done pitching.

They couldn't offer anything close to what he would have accepted because we wasted all our money on Baldoquin before and we weren't allowed to offer more than 300k to international signees for 2 years after that. You can read about it here https://calltothepen.com/2020/04/04/los-angeles-angels-roberto-baldoquin-14m-mistake/

Do you mean you didn't like the Baldoquin signing?

That's crap.

He's going to be fired very soon. Time to move on and find a new pitching coach. I'm sure Maddon will have a few ideas on who to hire.

How about Daron Sutton? Always liked him on the radio. He's got TV play by play exp as well.

well we don't know the full trade yet so it's silly to grade it yet. If this guy is the better of the two prospects then i would tend to agree with you though.

Not sure what you're expecting to get for 28 games of La Stella. Barreto had a .926 OPS last year in AAA at 23 years old. He's never gotten a real shot in the majors. Do i think he's the answer to replacing Simmons after this year? Of course not, but this is worth a try it didn't cost us anything.

Yeah he really was an all business type guy emotionally on the field. I would've thought GA was the better player for some reason but looking at the stats it's clearly Salmon but i love them both so it's okay.

"The Dodgers could have given the Angels a chance to rethink their decision, but they viewed the previously agreed upon Angels deal as unnecessary after the trades with Boston and Minnesota changed, effectively killing the trade themselves. " This is direct from The Athletic's story this morning about Arte pulling out of the trade. It sounds like the Dodgers didn't like the pieces anymore after the other trades changed.

https://twitter.com/RahulSetty_/status/1224924166400266240

Wrong

This honestly sounds like a battered wife sticking up for her husband. "he's not so bad, he only beats me when he drinks" and "i think he wants to change" It's going to be a long season if we have to count on all these guys turning it around in one off season.

You also realize there was no negotiating a contract because he didn't have enough service time. Different circumstances.

Now that Cole is going to the Yankees, I will say that this trade is horrible no matter who we end up getting.

I don't know, I like Simmons but we do have a lot of middle infielders right now, so it's not like we'd be hurting too bad if we traded Simmons and we could use his money where it'd help a bit more (catching/pitching). I think Rengifo would be a better fit at short moving forward than Fletcher though if we do move on from Simmons.

The Angels with a loss will give them the 10th overall pick in next years draft just slipping past the White Sox who won today.

Bandy caught tonight's game. Soto is a Free Agent at the end of the year. Trade him for something decent if you can.

I was really hoping the Angels would have gone after Yoan Moncada at the time and now in hindsight looking at Baldoquin and Moncada its just sad. They were comparing Baldoquin to Moncada in all the reports when we signed him. Angels have been trying to save money the last few years and it's not working out. I hope Baldoquin turns a corner this year but as of now it does not look good.

ANAHEIM—It doesn’t matter how high a player is drafted or how sizable his bonus. Baseball offers no guarantees, a fact the Angels were painfully reminded of when 20-year-old lefthander Hunter Green, once one of their top pitching prospects, abruptly retired in January. The Angels signed Green for $942,000 after selecting him in the second round of the 2013 draft. The 6-foot-3, 175-pound southpaw hailed from high school in Bowling Green, Ky. http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/angels-cant-talk-green-out-of-retiring/ anyone able to get the rest of the article? thanks.

Probably had something to do with him hitting .270 in salt lake where everyone else hits .350. That said i wouldn't have traded for Victorino.