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I understand where they ranked, but both pitchers were more suspects than prospects IMO. I did think Hellweg was going to be one of those failed starters that ended up being a really good BP piece, but I think he had injuries get in the way. Ariel Pena was smoke and mirrors and a lot of middling stuff. I didn't mind losing either of them.

LOL -- I too am the superstitious type when it comes to sports...

Ender -- your pen was doomed the minute anyone on this board threw props the M's way... That thread was a set up.

That trade gets a lot of hate -- but Jerry got about as much value as you could hope to get out of Segura. Pena and the other guy were prospects only in name.

I think they will take BPA -- I think the main reason you are seeing the Halos linked to pitchers is that there is a lot more pitching talent than position player talent. A lot of the top end HS position players are thought to have taken a step back this year -- there hasn't been a position player do the sort of rapid advancement of their skills Adell showed -- at least not one where the numbers were on par with what were considered the physical schools. There are a couple FL high school SS's that have missed time with injuries who may end up being better than their draft position. Consider my opinion to be somewhat ignorant -- where last year I had seen and was on Adell early on, with my preparing to move back to SoCal and a super heavy work load I didn't get to see a lot of amateur baseball.. This is the blindest I've gone into a draft in eons.

Yes -- so the last time he pitched in 2017 was 6 weeks before the trade deadline -- which is what I said. My point stands.

So.. when I said.. Shoemaker had been on the DL for 6 weeks... What part of that didn't you get? Trade Deadline is July 31st.... Go 6 weeks back..... Mid June. Anyway, would you kindly name who all was available to trade at the time? Skaggs and Richards were both on the DL along with Shoemaker. Tropeano had not yet come back from TJ, neither had Heaney... They did trade Maybin and David Hernandez. Bud Norris had just blown up twice the week before the deadline and shattered his value. Nobody was going to take AP and the world seemed to not wan't Escobar.... So you had three players with any sort of value. Trout, Simmons, and Calhoun. Of those three who did you actually advocate trading, because I really don't remember you pushing for any of those to be traded away -- what I do remember is you bitching they weren't going to be adding anyone... and then.. they did.

You're also like 8 years late....

Lol.... Blake Wood was a Cincinnati Red at the deadline last year, the Angels didn't acquire him until late August. Matt Shoemaker was on the DL from June on last year. So you wanted to trade a guy we didn't have and someone that had been on the DL for six weeks at the deadline... brilliant!!! If only it wasn't for Stinking Stubborn Arte...

Well played

Unless you mean changes to the batting order.. not sure he is the one making the call who is on the 25 man or not. At least they are all being made to sit together at the bottom of the lineup ... Which is awful for different reasons.

Necessity is the mother of invention or so they say.. May as well give birth to a 3B if things get ugly enough.

It goes waaaay back. Jeff Sullivan's hate and outright hostility toward the Angels when he was the lead guy at LL was borderline comical. Derek Zumsteg was another noted Angel hater over at USS Mariner and before that on Usernet. Honestly, it's what you'd expect from opposing fans.... At least every comment here doesn't start with $%*@ the M's.

You ever read Lookout Landing? This place is tame compared to the amount of vitriol Mariner fans aim at the Angels...

I like him better in the NFL Draft, at strong safety.

This is my growing area of frustration.. I get that the team might be wanting to take this time .vs weaker competition to give their veterans a chance to "get well"... but, weaker competiion is also a perfect opportunity to bring guys up and have them get their feet wet. Im guessing it will be mid June before they finally start looking to cut bait on some guys... but if they keep playing like they have then they may have burried themselves by then.

I've popped them for feasting on weak competition but, they deserve praise for having done just that.... The Angels have fallen on their faces repeated (like yesterday). Teams that make the postseason tend to beat up on bad teams and make the most of every opportunity given to them -- the M's have done just that and deserve the props. They sort of remind me of the 2016 Rangers (record in 1 run games and extras), because as you point out their massively outplaying their talent. But they have a truly elite closer, a legit ace and their offense can play. Jerry's going to make a move for a SP because it's what he does. It will be interesting to see how they do the second half given they have the third hardest schedule in MLB in the second half. Again, you gotta give them props for taken care of business now.

Never gets old ...

His wOBA would rank 11th -- behind Cozart and ahead of Maldonado. His wRC+ would be 12th.... behind AP, and ahead of Valbuena. So as Doc said.. "No"

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23603885/boston-red-sox-designate-hanley-ramirez-assignment-activate-dustin-pedroia Not saying we should get him -- but, Bosox showing they don't want to be a part of his further decline. Kinda crazy they have no released both of their big FA signings from a few years ago... Panda and now Hanley.

First..... How about nope! This was my post .. See any mention of TJ from anyone other than you? Pretty simple and to the point. Fatigue can lead to injury. The only person going on and on about TJ, car crashes and broken legs is you. As I said previously -- you've convinced yourself of what you want to believe and won't see it any other way. I have zero interest in trying to convince you otherwise.

A Dominican 12 string guitar.....

I have no clue who "these pitchers" are in your rhetorical question. But I doubt whatever answer I'd give you would result in your considering anything other than what you have already decided. Do you really think pitchers only get tired late in the season? If that's the case... why don't they throw 300 pitches early in the season and then slowly taper off? I mean they had a whole offseason to rest up.... Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Most pitchers will tell you they are tired late in every game, not just 5 months into a season. Fatigue tends to have an impact on mechanics and sometimes when mechanics break down it's easier for injuries to happen ANY injury. This fixation of yours on TJ surgery as if it's the only possible injury is silly as bringing up Hayward's broken leg. As I said above -- there isn't anything anyone can tell you that will make you believe anything you haven't already decided. Personally.... I'd be more apt to question the process if this had been done before... but, it hasn't.

I'm assuming you mean other than this -- http://www.milb.com/milb/multimedia/milbtv.jsp but theres the link just in case.

Oy vey! I'm not trying to sell you on anything. I made the point that WAR has been accused of OVER-valuing defense. You asked how and threw out an example you believed would prove your point... I used your example and the numbers you threw at me to show you how. In your rush to be snarky you failed to realize your example didn't really support your position... rather, it hints that WAR might be overvaluing Martin's defense in relation to his total WAR -- which was MY point .... the one you took issue with.. LOL. I get that your real goal was to dismiss WAR, but my point was that the defensive component of WAR is flawed.. Later.