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If he's waiting to see if the team can win first... well, we may run out of time there. The answer to that question has been no, still is no, and remains no until proven otherwise. And come the point when it's proven otherwise, it'll be too late, as this is the end of his contract. We may lose, he will leave. We may win, and he may still leave. At the end of the day we're getting nothing back if he leaves. There's a ton that needs to change for this team to become a winner in one season. Is this going to be the "win for Ohtani" year? Are we really doing that? That's a huge roll of the dice. They ready to let Ohtani go for nothing besides a QO comp pick? Trading him this offseason is the only smart thing to do.

He did pick the Angels indeed. Maybe his dream was to play for a winning org but mostly stay out of the spotlight. I think when you are just breaking into MLB it's good to be humble. But now that he's turned out to be a baseball phenomenon, I think his mindset has changed. He's made comments to the media that indicate he will not stay here if they don't show they can win. Well, I don't think he said those things when he was a rookie. Now he probably sees himself as too good to play for this team and he kinda has a point.

Open up MLB.com today, I see another headline about Ohtani's FA next year. "Should the Dodgers sign Judge now or wait for Ohtani next year?" Gross. I can already see him wearing Dodger blue. It seems like a fairy tale dream to even think he'll re-sign here at this point. It's upsetting to have an owner that doesn't care much about winning when you have a player this talented and this determined to win on your roster. Well, not for long. And this seems like the first offseason in a long time that they are actually going for major league talent to fill positions of need (Anderson, Urshela, Renfroe) instead of trying to scoot by with AAAA players and high risk high reward comeback projects (Harvey, Syndergaard) Too little, too late.

Oh my bad, you're right, over 3 seasons with the Angels he managed something like .225. I just remember him being so god awful I would've believed you if you said he hit .150. Point is the Angels make players want to just end their career a few years early.

Vernon Wells never hit under .200 with the Blue Jays.

This team hasn't even reached 82 wins in a season in 8 years. So your joke is kinda funny. Compared to the Dodgers, yes, the Angels do nothing right. I would have expected FA money to go to offense. But they decided they like Tyler Anderson. So now it looks like either Suarez, Detmers, or Sandoval will be traded for a bat. I would've kept the young pitching.

The Dodgers make their players better, the Angels don't. He will only reach those innings if he doesn't get lit up. I don't wanna see a guy with a 5 ERA throwing too many innings.

Which is exactly the problem. The open market is incredibly overvalued. Understandable since there's limited options every offseason and a lot of clubs with pitching needs BUT. Here this club goes again not even trying to develop their core pitchers and just going with a "proven" yet mediocre option and we have no clue what we're gonna get from this guy.

This exactly. This is what I was trying to get at in my last comment. Amen to this.

3/39 is unique contract, it's like a Halos special. It's the type of contract that just screams mediocrity. Don't pay an extra 7 million per season for $20 million AAV to get a pitcher who is actually good. Instead just give a mediocre 13 million to some middle of the pack pitcher and say you tried.

Same deal Cozart signed. This is going to be just as bad of a signing.

Every time the Angels win mostly because of Ohtani and also thinking about how special he really is just makes it even more of a bummer that this team stinks.

Ohtani will definitely not get traded before the deadline. He is right up there in WAR with Judge and has the MVP vote from a lot of voters currently because he hasn't skipped much of a beat this season doing it from both sides. Offensively yeah a little bit, but his pitching is incredible. So potentially two AL MVP in a row if things play out the same rest of the way - Ohtani's trade value is so absolutely nuts at the moment that no team would really be smart to put together a good enough package for him. They only get one season+ of Ohtani.

2023 is a BIG year for this club. Could potentially miss the playoffs and also let Ohtani walk away for nothing besides a compensation pick because he rejects the QO. Will they, in one winter, develop the belief that they can be a great team? In one winter, fix their collective lousy attitude? In one winter, have someone actually step up and be a real leader of this team? Doubt it.

Maybe they offer him a solid extension this offseason before he gets super expensive?

Trading Trout would be insane. I can't believe fans mention it so often. He's still the best player in baseball and has been the face of the franchise and MLB for the past decade. We still have him locked up for almost another decade and that's a lot of time for this team to potentially have a window of opportunity or two to contend. Wishful thinking? Okay fine. I still don't want to trade the best player in baseball because I love watching him play and he means so much to this team. Sandoval? Untouchable, at least to this team. Starting pitching is STILL a weak point for us and he's inexpensive top of the rotation material for us for a couple more years. Ohtani you can make a great argument for trading, but again we're talking about a new MLB icon here and trading him would tilt A LOT of fans. You'd better make sure the return is AMAZING and not just a few Jo Adell's. Syngergaard yeah send it. They should focus on fixing their attitude and losing culture more than trading any of these players.

Just came here to say that this team deserves to lose every single game that whoever the manager is puts Villar and his terribly low OBP in the leadoff spot.