Yes We Can

Just now, Dochalo said:

was Dipoto a success then?  And Reagins?  

the lack of context that some have on this board makes me sad for society.  

My comment was based on Billy Eppler's tenure, not Reagins, Dipoto, Herzog, Port, Dalton, Walsh or Haney.

13 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Honestly, Eppler left our organization in fantastic shape to turn things around quickly. The farm is in decent shape and not gutted, and he did not leave us with any bad contracts to hamper us in the immediate future. Whoever is hired, if he sees immediate success, will be built on the foundation that Eppler has left us with. 

Seriously?

Eppler left us with five straight losing seasons. He failed. It doesn't matter what he inherited. The team never got better with him. 

Never better in his half decade of effort.

I wish him well and hope he connects with Jeter in Miami but his time in Anaheim was a failure. 

9 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Here's a good read on Minasian: https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/9/14/16303746/atlanta-braves-hire-perry-minasian-adam-fisher

Seems like he's a scouting/trade wizard. 

Well, based on this article alone and what was posted on Hollander...

IMO Arte will chose Hollander.

42 minutes ago, Second Base said:

As much of a fan as I am Jordyn Adams and Jeremiah Jackson, had he spent those picks on pitching, we'd have a couple of solid starters in AA right now, ready to step in next year, along with Detmers. Will Wilson was an absolute waste of a draft pick.

 

I agree. As an example, If he went with a college pitchers instead of toolsy athletes we could have a Brady Singer in our 2021 rotation instead of Jordyn Adams in A+ ball. In retrospect his decision to steer clear of college pitchers for position players backfired. Probably cost him his job.

2014 is the last season we have had 5 starting pitchers each start at least 24 games. And Skaggs had 18 starts before his UCL injury. So I think winning 98 games in 2014 was more about adding pitching depth and not about the "all in" moves.

Yes, we went "all in" that year with Josh Hamilton and that was a disaster. And yes, we had gone "all in" with Pujols and CJ Wilson in 2011 and those big spends did not pay off over time. I am pretty sure we were still paying Vernon Wells not to play baseball - foreshadowing our future with Hamilton. 

I think trading for Santiago and Skaggs, signing Joe Smith, Matt Shoemaker's first year as an MLB starter and adding Huston Street's expiring contract at the trade deadline were the keys to the 2014 success.

So if the Angels follow the 2014 blueprint (without an "all in" dumb signing like Hamilton) by trading for or signing SP and RP depth and add a 2B, I think they can be a playoff team. 

2014's Skaggs, Santiago, Shoemaker, Street, David Freese and Joe Smith

2021's Richards, Shoemaker, Barria, Treinen, Kolten Wong and Jake McGee

2 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

The Blue Jays looked into acquiring Andrelton Simmons prior to the August 31 trade deadline, and now that the shortstop is a free agent, veteran reporter Bob Elliott tweets that Toronto is again interested in Simmons’ services.

I didn't know this. Does anyone know if they made a trade package for him?

Bo Bichette went down with a sprained knee in mid-August for a month. Simmons was coming back from his own injury and there were some twitter rumors out there but it never went anywhere. The Blue Jays traded for Jonathan Villar at the trade deadline instead.

4 hours ago, rafibomb said:

Am I jealous of the Mets?

 

 

I think Steve Cohen is going to be a great MLB owner.

We have Arte...

1 hour ago, Jay said:

I don't see how anybody can compare Moreno to Jerry Jones.

I was referencing the tendency of Arte to kind of get too involved in personnel decisions sometimes. Obviously not to Jerry's level but I think both teams would be better off if they stepped back a little.

And they do both have really nice Yachts...

Yep. He should get every opportunity to win the position in Spring Training, or at least the platoon job versus RHP's. I think Matt Thaiss will get a look also.

Looks like Pujols may go into retirement splitting time between 1B/DH and playing maybe 80 games.

7 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

There’s some sort of disconnect between Moreno and franchise progress.   It does seem that he mainly is interested in the one aspect of the franchise that he knows: marketing/advertising.

Things won’t change until scouting and development become just as important to him.

From the outside looking it seems like he gets too involved at times and needs to back off a bit. Kind of a Jerry Jones syndrome. For example, I don't know that Mark Walter is as involved in the day to day as much as Arte. Who knows?

It's his team so he can do what he wants but when it impedes progress it's concerning as a fan.

I like the idea of signing Blake Treinen  and maybe Jake McGee.

The Dodgers have an abundance of bullpen talent so those guys may not be re-signed. They have 5 more years of control with Graterol, 3 with Floro, 6 with Gonzalez, 3 with Kolarek and 4 with Ferguson. They also have Kelly signed for two more years and Jensen for 1.

They have Bo Bichette so it doesn't make a lot of sense. Would they move Bichette to 2B and play Biggio at 3B/OF?

46 minutes ago, ukyah said:

all the best people have interviewed already. there's this friggin annoying narrative that nobody wants the angels job and arte just wants a puppet. none of it is fact based at all. they've got the right guys on the list and a few also rans. hopefully, they don't blow it.

It's only a narrative if people continue to narrate.

I think Ohtani will have a good year. My projection is he will start around 22 games and will be very effective leading the team into the playoffs. 

4 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

AW turning on Jo Adell? Brandon Wood?

Angelswin and Knee-jerk reactions. Name a more iconic duo.

Fixed for the 2008 version. Round and Round...

1 hour ago, Warfarin said:

The way you phrase it makes it sound like they will struggle to find a team to take Lindor.

They will not.  Lindor is a very good player.  Some team (Mets? Braves?) will trade prospects for him.  We cannot "leverage" taking Lindor off their hands and get Pleasac in the process.

The only trade we should be looking into with the Indians is flipping Adell for Pleasac directly.   Indians need OFers and we need pitching.  Seems like an ideal matchup.

Fletcher can play SS.  Sign someone like Wong or Hernandez for a very small price (5mil/yr?) to play 2b instead.

Yes. We discussed Wong yesterday. He is a more viable option for MIF.

But if we can create a bundle for Lindor and Plesac it would be great.

And the Angels have Pujols and Upton coming off the payroll the next two years. They could re-sign Lindor.

I agree with @OhtaniSan.

Take Lindor and his 1/21 M contract off the Indians hands but leverage it to get Plesac and his 5 years of control. 

I would include Adell and either Rengifo/Ward in a package.

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

You do not trade your best prospect in your division. 

True. I also don't think you trade your best power hitter, who has two more years of team control, within your division.

I don't think this proposal would end up getting done by either team.

Nice job!!

I don't think the Rangers would come close to doing it. Adell is nothing but a big question mark right now. He may end up in SLC to start the season.

Actually, I don't like it that much for the Angels either. Gallo has a career 38% K rate and two years of control. Lance Lynn would be a really great addition but he's a FA in 2022 and it will be tough to re-sign him. He currently has an assignment bonus in his contract if he is traded to a club on the west coast.

So the hypothetical is Bauer, Stroman and Gausman all accept their qualifying offers taking them off the market for 2021. I don't think we have a shot at Bauer but I like the idea of adding Stroman or Gausman.

I think the next step is still the same - to sign or trade for 1 or 2 SP's to complement Heaney/Bundy/Ohtani/Canning and the depth of Barria/Sandoval/Naughton. It's going to be a strange FA market but I like the idea of going after Robbie Ray or JA Happ on 2 year deals. 1 year if the market is really tight. Another option is trading for a young SP with multiple years of control. Adell and Rengifo and a MiLB pitching prospect for Plesac? Don't know what it would take...

25 minutes ago, totdprods said:

And this winter they’ve already been linked to two midinfielders, a deep market with depressed prices. I think they’ll sign one, making Rengifo expendable in a trade for pitching, a relatively thin market.

I would like to see them hold on to Rengifo as a utility guy even if they sign someone like Wong. He's still developing and I think his value could increase. But if his inclusion in a trade helps get you a quality SP you have to consider it.

Here is some good info on the QO process.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-21-qualifying-offer-candidates-and-decisions

They got it right.

Jason McLeod worked with Joe Maddon in Chicago. I wonder if this gives him an advantage. I've read some good things about him.

Also, like everything I hear about Logan White.