Angels 1961

29 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So you agree that your proposal is silly and will never get it done.

I will never concede

This is a salary dump for Rays. They are low budget team and do not want to spend 13 mill on one player. It also is smart move for Rays as they will get top prospects plus players already in majors. 

7 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I hate it when people go off topic, by replying to the actual topic randomly after a page and a half of dick jokes.

Is Kenyan still on Angels?

I get a young pitcher you can control for years, Matt Manning would be fit here. Go out get a vet starter in Happ, go get bullpen help May, Hand or Hendriks. Bullpen needs almost a total make over. 

18 hours ago, gotbeer said:

IMO, we don't need 3 starters.  Just need one.

1. Bundy, 3.2 ERA, 1.036 WHIP.  Won't be replicated, but a mid/high 3, 1.15 WHIP is very possible.
2. Canning, 3.99 ERA, 1.3667 WHIP.  Whip is definitely high.  He'll probably bring it down to the 1.2 range.  His minor league numbers show that he should even get it into the low 1.2 range, maybe high 1.1 range.  ERA wise, if he's in the high 3's, it should be enough with the offense we can put behind him.
3. Heaney  4.46 ERA, 1.230 WHIP.  Potential to drop it into the low 4's.  His Whip has been very consistent in the 1.2's, which is fine for a 3/4 pitcher.
4. Barria.  3.62 ERA, 1.113 WHIP.  Will probably move up higher on depth chart, but he is still pretty young.  It definitely looks like his 21 YO campaign wasn't a fluke, and that his 22 YO campaign might be the outlier.  His AAA numbers are a worry.  But for a 4 starter, he should be fine.  

Wildcard is obviously Ohtani, but I'm not expecting much from him at all this season.  So he'd just be a bonus, if anything.  I'm still on the McKenzie/Lindor bandwagon.  McKenzie can slot in the 4/5 slot.  And hopefully rise to the 2 slot by end of season.  In 3/4 years, I can see him as the staff ace.  But he's still very young, so no need to rush him to the top slot.  Just get him experience, and let him shine.  I wouldn't mind Walker also, as he would slot into the #2/3 slot easily.  But Barria and Canning are young, and if you add McKenzie you would have to slot one in relief or down to the minors.  

What we do need is 3 relievers though.  Mayers Bedrosian, and Ramirez all put up good numbers last season.  The rest were not good at all.  

Bedrosian was released and is now FA

11 minutes ago, Tank said:

no one really knows how beethoven lost his hearing, but his most celebrated musical works were created after he went deaf.

I heard that

An outfield prospect for a pitching prospect. Who says no?

How about Matt Manning for Jo Adell?

Marsh, Sandoval, Thaiss and Jam Jones for Snell

Just now, Angels 1961 said:

 

The trees are the forest, Snell second coming of Erik Bedard, It would take Adell to get him but I'm not trading Adell. Plenty of pitching out there. Adell to me just to valuable. Where did Joe Maddon first manage? 

7 minutes ago, Tank said:

i know it's useless to suggest this, but you might want to look at his manager on that one. you might also want to look at his number of pitches and other important stats.

if all you're looking at is IP, you're missing the forest because the trees are in the way.

4 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I beg to differ. The peripherals are in line with his peak form. The difference in 2020 was mostly (entirely?) due to giving up more dingers, almost twice his career rate. With only 50 IP, this is likely due to sample size.

Snell is at least a good #2, ala Dan Haren. He probably won't ever have a sub-2.00 ERA again, but I think sub-3.00 is very possible.

But he will cost a bucket-load: One of Adell/Marsh/Adams, one of Detmers/Rodriguez, a Rengifo type, and probably a Knowles/Deveaux type. 

Now if the Angels could get him for Adams, Barria, Rengifo, and Knowles, I'd be all over that. But I think they'll want--and get--more.

I'm not giving up Adell or Marsh for a pitcher who goes 5 inn. Barria had good 18 and 19 out of rotation to start year because of Cahill and Harvey signings. In a short season 2020 only 7 appearances with 5 starts but looked like Barria of 18. Adell be patience he is young and going to be a stud.

10 hours ago, Revad said:

I know I’ve said I wouldn’t trade Adell or Marsh and especially not both, but for Snell...

I agree many free agents out there plus starters we have not horrible. Bundy, Heaney, Canning and my sleeper to have big year is Jamie Barria. 2018 Barria had nice year. 2019 not in rotation to start year big mistake and messed with his head. 2020 short season only 7 appearances with just 5 starts but looked like Jamie of 18. Snell is good but not for Adell or Marsh.

4 minutes ago, Revad said:

Not I agree until if your right, but good take

Do actually have an idea what baseball used to be

54 minutes ago, Bronson said:

Do you actually watch baseball? 

Last 2 years in his starts a 5 inn avg. 

4 hours ago, PattyD22 said:

Bartender, may I have another?

You’re nuts.

Snell is a number 3 pitcher not an ace.

Snell is a number 3 pitcher not an ace or elite pitcher that said I would trade for him but not Adell, Marsh or Canning.

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

You can’t be serious, right?

Yes I am maybe a Barria, some prospects. Snell is not same pitcher he was when he was CY Young winner. Only like 5 and a third inn in his starts last few years. I would love to get Snell but Adell or Marsh would not be in package. Remember many pitchers are out there Sonny Gray may be out there.

I think you can get him without Adell or Marsh. Maybe a Sandoval, Jam Jones and some other prospect.

6 hours ago, Blarg said:

The Rays are losing Morton to free agency and Snell is locked into a team friendly contract. I just don't see any way they could justify parting with him. 

They back loaded his contract and will earn 13 mill too much for Rays. Plus know they can get a lot for him. Snell has issues with manager. 

Blake Snell 3 years 39 million, Rays listening to offers. Top of rotation guy we need, who do we give up for him?

Success in minors to me is how many players come up to help your major league team. This could be players on your roster or players traded to get a player you need. Recent years farm has given halos some players that have helped, Fletcher,Walsh, Canning with Adell and Marsh on their way. Angel minor league system has improved from where it was 5 or 6 years ago. With this improvement this has made halos on the cusp of a title.

Does this mean Vladdy Jr. will be a lighter hitter next season?

12 hours ago, T.G. said:

Is it a "flurry" or a "plethora?"

It's flurry until we get a few more deals then and only then will it be plethora

Albert Pujols will be in best shape of his life in 2021.

On 11/20/2020 at 11:06 AM, failos said:

doesn’t completely apply to me since I grew up in the 90s, but point still stands

 

They have record of my 5 years in HS.