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"Firing" includes not exercising his option. His contract expired then. Prior to that, he may have felt like he couldn't say how much Perry was interfering or not. Hard to criticize. Plus he doesn't have 16+ years of managerial experience. As far as Maddon, You dislike him and I like him. I like his honesty... He didn't say anything negative about Epstein when he was let go from the Cubs. I've always been a fan, dating back to his stint with the Angels. I thought they should've given him the job in 2000, after his excellent showing in 1999 in the last month. But they brought on Scioscia which was also a great decision, and kept Maddon as Bench Coach.

I'm saying that Maddon said differently. I don't know who he talked to. @Jeff Fletcher Did you ask Nevin about this post firing?

I saw an old post where we were discussing the infamous Bullpen Matrix from Alex Tamin that @Stradling used OPS + for the season and I'm assuming ERA + for the season to compare 2021 and 2022, which was identical.... In 2022, the Hitting was +93 and in 2023 it was +100, so it was below average and then went to average. Pitching was +107 and went to +97. So it obviously declined. They can do better with both with their current roster. Give me an experienced Manager and a GM who knows how to set his team up for success instead of being a micro-manager.

I'm not pretending? Fletcher is being told this by the GM. Maddon said different. Choose who you believe. That's fine we can disagree.

FYI this isn't just with the Angels. Padres https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2023-09-27/padres-bob-melvin-aj-preller-rift-manager-gm-decision-meeting Astros https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34987626/owner-jim-crane-astros-discussions-gm-james-click-deal Other teams (from 2014?) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/02/10/baseball-managers-gms-embrace-relationship-analytics/5383601/

It doesn't hurt my feelings. You just dont need to be that confrontational or "call me out" just say you disagree and that the reporters back you up. I feel that Reporters aren't in the dugout or in meetings between the GM. And Perry won't say he didn't like Joe, and that they had issues. Joe didn't like Perry. Scioscia and Dipoto had the same issues, if you remember, and Scioscia won. We all laugh at DiPoto now, and that's what I think is gonna happen to Perry.

Well they used to be, but who knows with this generation of front office executives.

Slightly. But the offense cratered and I think SP Runs went up while BP went down.

In April and May 2022 they scored 236 and allowed 202, adding in the next 7 games makes it 247 and allowing 237, which should still have been a positive win loss record with a differential of +10. So Maddon was either a bit unlucky or a bad manager, your opinion, I guess. 4.41 RS and 4.23 RA. After that point, they scored 376 and allowed 431. This season they scored 739 and allowed 829. 3.54 RS after Nevin took over and 4.07 RA. Pitching was slightly better after Nevin took over I guess, but even worse this year. 4.56 RS and 5.12 RA this year. Offense is up and some of that is pitch clock and larger bases I guess, I'd have to look at the league wide stats to see how much better or worse... Blame Injuries if you want for the pitching.... Nevin and Minasian calling down, to me is a terrible combo. But that's just my opinion.

All of my posts are my opinions, I'm sorry I'm not phrasing them with "In my opinion" before every comment. Seriously you're being a confrontational asshole.

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously bro go outside and do something besides this board.

Did it? I mean, they finished 14 games under .500 in the remaining 106 games. But ok. I mean, you can give Maddon shit for his sometimes weird decisions, but the overreaching is ridiculous. Perry should just name himself Manager if he wants to control the lineup and the strategy in game.

I don't think analytics are dumb for the record, I think they're a tool to be used. But pulling Kershaw when he was pitching a perfect game... NO. And other issues too, in game decisions should be made my the manager, not according to a spreadsheet or bullpen matrix. And I hate micro managers in all aspects of life, which is what it seems like Minasian is. In one of Maddon's comments from his book, he took exception to being told to pull Trout in a blowout win. I have no problem with Perry talking to Joe about lineups or health concerns...but that should be before the game. Not during and it shouldn't have been an order.

And FYI, here's one of Maddon's bits about working with Minasian, and Minasian's response. https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/angels-news-gm-perry-minasian-responds-to-claims-from-joe-maddons-tell-all-book

I don't know what's going on, but I do know what I've read. And what has been reported has been that Perry is controlling things from the front office. Now you may not believe Maddon, but that's what he said. And the fact that he put a Bench Coach (Montgomery) in Maddon's Dugout in his first year as GM, so he'd have influence...which was stated by Maddon, and again you choose not to believe him and believe what you think instead. Then he re-hired the interim manager, with no experience, under the guise of the impending sale, so he'd have a manager he could control. Perry was just waiting for a reason to fire Maddon, and it was a bad decision, in my opinion. To me when something is reported as being a duck, then walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's not a cat. It's a duck. And one other note, I've been posting here and writing for this site since 2004. When you were maybe what 4? So maybe a little respect instead of being constantly confrontational and an arrogant know-it-all yourself. Just because you live on this board and post nearly every breaking news as soon as it's reported doesn't mean you yourself have any idea what's going on you just have twitter alerts set and this page constantly in a tab on your browser.... You and I don't agree and thats fine, but hey, no need to call me arrogant or my posts absurd. I don't call you out on your posts, I just disagree with them. OK?

Ray Montgomery will last one season, and then he and Minasian will both be fired. You can't manage games from the front office. You can prepare your coaches, prepare your pitchers and hitters, but you have to let them do it on their own. If all of you are pro-Minasian, you have to see that he did a terrible job on the field for the past three years, especially post Maddon? The Angels are 223-263 in the three years under Minasian, with Maddon was 104-114, with Perry 119-149.... In a few more games, they were 30 games under with Nevin and Minasian calling the games from the front office. They had the AL MVP 2x in that span. And Trout, who when healthy is still a top 10 player in the league. Maybe Minasian isn't doing a good job calling it from the front office?

You're either bizarre in your takes or you're intensely negative. Or positive for weird reasons. I'm just tired of your posts.

Some of my issues with overreaching have to do with my own management (non-baseball) career. I believe firmly in delegating and letting my employees do their thing. I hate micro management and one of my own bosses is the epitome of this. (One is a micro manager and the other is a delegator, I get along much better with the delegator). Micro management is so annoying and is among the worst traits in management. Whomever the front office hires, they need to trust to give them the data and the details and let them manage the game. They also need a huge overhaul in their own analytic process, as these are not all equal. Clearly the Dodgers or Rays are doing something the Angels aren't. They need to emulate that. This also goes for Arte and Carpino as well. Trust your employees to do their best and delegate responsibilities.

Yah screw this. Analytics-only sucks and GM overreaching is a huge problem.

If you think this is anything other than player development and good coaching.... If you really think the Manager is irrelevant, then why did Philly have success under their new manager and not under Girardi?

It's obviously hard to do for the Angels. They've had two dozen managers in 60 plus seasons, and only three or four good ones. For new managers, you'd have to look at their interview, and demeanor, and coaching experience. For veteran managers, results matter, but sometimes you look at the circumstances where they had their first shot and see why it didn't work.

Who are your top 3 candidates?

I want someone with experience, but Ebel is a long time highly respected coach waiting for his shot. I would rather have him than Benji Gil or Ray Montgomery for instance.

Go away.

How About Dino Ebel if they are going no experience again.