Hubs

4 minutes ago, ArkyAngelsFan said:

 A 2 year deal also sucks.

So what is your issue with a two year deal?

~ArkyAngelsFan~

Stability. Or really lack there of.

But at his age, I guess it makes sense. 

7 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

But you're good with Scioscia who is 65 and hasn't managed at any capacity in the MLB since 2018?

He doesn't have (at least one) positive test for cocaine and a sexual assault allegation. 

11 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

why the hell do people keep saying this nonsense!? It's the same thing with free agents....it takes two parties to agree to a contract. If he wanted the job he would have reached out. He didn't...therefore he wasn't hired.

Washington worked without incident for Atlanta for 8 years. For god's sake, we had someone with far more sexual assault allegations in the white house for 4 years. Get over the pretend outrage.

 

Right, well, he hasn't had a managers job since resigning from Texas in 2014. I also dont like his age, as at 72, he needs a young guy (which will probably be Montgomery) to be his bench coach and future manager. A 2 year deal also sucks.

This article paints a rosy picture of him, but we'll see...I guess.

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5629215

11 minutes ago, Second Base said:

People are reacting as if hiring a manager means something. 

How did Chris Woodward and Tony Beasley do with the Rangers in 2022? How did Bochy do with them?

Sorry but sexual assault allegations and cocaine use should've disqualified him from this job. He's the one guy I didn't want. 

If they wanted the experience and the authority of a veteran manager, they should've hired Scioscia. 

20 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

Hubs....I just reached "Hall of Fame" status on my AngelsWin Profile, and I did it in under 2000 posts, which may be a record.

In celebration of that accomplishment, I will let you in on a tidbit.  I think Sosh was did a great job as manager.   I also had the pleasure of sharing my season seats with his son, and chatting about Angels baseball among other things.

I tend to support leaders who give a maximum effort and put their heart and soul into the job.  

Hence "Glorified Troll"

Just saying.

For the record, I've been posting here since 2004, when it first was established by Chuck. And for the record, Hall of Fame is not really an accomplishment to be proud of.

6 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

You just like Tori because he considers Sosh a mentor.   So shallow.

And you just hate Scioscia and everything affiliated with him, since you're a glorified troll. (Or Phil's Cousin, maybe).

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

We hate Maddon because we paid attention. 

I didn't hate him. And I watched a lot of games. He is unique for sure, but we were all excited to have him after Brad Ausmus was forced on us in 2019. 

I'm torn on what I want. I either want a veteran established winning manager, or I want a younger ex-player that can learn on the job with a veteran bench coach. Hunter being my pick, with Ebel being the bench coach. He seems like he could be a good manager, as he was always one of the smartest players and beloved in the clubhouse. 

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Your hate for Perry is funny. Twitter would love you. 

I'm sorry but the defense of this guy after three terrible seasons, with the upper level talent befuddles the mind. 

And everyone on this board used to like Maddon, but now, you all hate him. Still when you read his book and see what he was saying, and add that to the "baseball nerd", suspect management moves, issues with the media, increase in injuries, and fractured clubhouse / management.. plus decline in fundamentals, increase in injuries......

Well, blame Arte, blame Perry, blame Nevin, or Maddon or Carpino or even Wise,  I just want the team to be good again.

Nevin was one of the worst managers I've ever seen. 

The results speak for themselves.

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Haha. No chance. Zero.

Agree to disagree.

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

And yet, as you’ve pointed out, Perry wants Buck, so they must feel like he’d be fine working with this front office. 

Or the front office that succeeds him next year.

8 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I know I watched Nevin make decisions which cost us wins. You really don't think if we had the exact same team last year, but with Counsell, we would not have had a few more wins? 

We might have had a winning record with Counsell. Yes I'm serious. 

6 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Need to stop putting Ohtani in any halo lineup.

If he signs elsewhere I will, Until then, I will continue to. Just because you dont think he's coming back doesn't mean it's not possible. You're pretty much wrong on everything... so.

13 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He is the offensive equivalent to the defensive specialist.  He can play mediocre all around the diamond and he can get on base.  He is offensive Fletcher. 

And as a guy that comes up from Triple A as a 6th or 7th infielder when needed, no issue. But with Schanuel's inexperience, and lack of power, Neto's injury history in his first season, Rengifo's extreme variance in his capabilities, including poor defense, and Rendon's recent lack of production and injury history, I want a veteran infielder to join the club to go along with Drury.

It, as everything depends on whether or not they bring back Ohtani, as without him they are limited to 13 pitchers, meaning they will have 13 hitters as well. If he is the DH, that leaves 12.

Do you have 5 infielders and 5 outfielders or 6 and 4? Where does that leave Thaiss if you only have two catchers. 

With Moniak and Adell both being out of options, they probably have to plan on having a 5th OF just in case of injury, it would help if that guy also played first base.

Neto SS

Ward RF 

Trout CF

Ohtani DH

O'Hoppe C

Drury 2B

Schanuel 1B

Moniak LF

Rendon 3B

Plus Bech posibilites of

Stassi C

Rengifo INF/OF - O options

Thaiss C/INF - O options

Adell OF - O options

Stefanic INF - 2 options

Doesn't that leave a few positions vulnerable? Dont you need another MINF who is good defensively? What about Fletcher?

 I dont really like this team's makeup.

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

And in those 25 games he performed.

I have no problem with Stefanic being up and down as a organizational depth piece, but to count on him at this point as a platoon or primary bench bat, is to suffer another season of mediocrity.

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

290 avg with 380 obp last year plus very low k rate. 

LOL in 25 games. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/cubs-to-hire-craig-counsell.html

I'm a little worried about the Cubs getting Ohtani.

Just now, Hubs said:

His .293 career SLG is certainly a good asset for our bench.

He also can't play multiple defensive positions, or really any position well.

3 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

One player not mentioned for halo bench is Michael Stefanic. I like his bat.

His .293 career SLG is certainly a good asset for our bench.

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

I’m sure we’d all like 2 front end starters, but again, what makes you think they’re spending enough to afford that?

Would you be happy with Ohtani, Yamamoto, Hicks and say Reynaldo Lopez, and let’s add Amed Rosario and Jung Ho Lee ? 
 

The Athletic has these guys at 43.3 AAV, 29 AAV, 9 AAV, (not listed but let’s say 6.5 AAV, 9.5 AAV, and 14 AAV. 
 

That’s a huge free agent spending spree I know and a lot of foreign talent, but I don’t think Rosario or Lee get that much… but Ohtani gets a bit more… and it would be $$$ of close to a billion dollars… but over a lot of years. It’s $111 in AAV but in real salary dollars would likely be close to $95 for the next three years before moving to $125 since they are paying Rendon for three more seasons.

Just now, mmc said:

I’m sure we’d all like 2 front end starters, but again, what makes you think they’re spending enough to afford that?

If they don’t resign Ohtani and keep payroll at a similar level to opening day last year they’d have the budget.

The Athletic has the Ohtani projected contract at $520 million over 12. Belinger’s projection is 6/162

Yamamoto is 7/203.

Montgomery is 5/105 and Snell is 5/135. 

Hicks was at 3/27.

Obviously a dream off-season gets us Ohtani back and another position player plus two starters and a premier reliever or two… but if Yamamoto is really going for that much; well he’s out of the budget if they resign Ohtani.

they’re at 117 plus arbitration and club control guys but if they spend 43-44 on Ohtani, another 29 on Yamamoto means it’s going to go over the Lux tax when all is said and done. because they need more than those two guys.

Snell and Montgomery at $48 Combined or Yamamoto and say Flaherty at $44 Is a good step in the right direction. 
 

Adding two pen arms and a solid bench bat for $25 means an AAV investment of like $115-120 million which puts them firmly over the tax for the next three seasons. 

So it’s probably not happening at least at the athletics numbers 

Bellinger def had a good year but in 22 he was borderline unplayable so I’m wary. 
 

As for my pitching selections, I think they need to add two if they don’t resign Ohtani. Yep two high end 1/2 starters. Yamamoto and another one. If by some miracle they do resign Ohtani they probably won’t be able to afford both. 

I’d still sign two SP though, even if they do resign Ohtani. One would be a top guy and one would be a filler 4th / 5th starter guy or a rebound guy like Flaherty.

For me it’s two SP, two or three relievers, and a bench inf bat / OF bat.

and Ohtani or Soler as the DH.

i look to trade Rengifo and Sandoval. Maybe Thaiss as well. And I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Estevez. 

Sign Yamamoto and Montgomery for instance. Moore, Hicks and one more low $$$ guy.

I’d consider Bauer as the second now that the allegations have been proven false. But he’s a weird cat anyway.

Moustakas and Urshela did well For the team but Moose struggled down the stretch after two good months and Gio didn’t have enough power.