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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

I was responding to your “no reason” to own one opinion. There are indeed reasons. You also have to understand that the Heller case already ruled that firearms in common use, for lawful purpose cannot be banned. There are literally 10s of millions of these rifles out there so that is likely considered in “common use”. Either way, they will not be banned. Some states may limit magazine capacity as some already have though 

Your reason assumed the home owner may have had a high capacity magazine weapon.  Even setting that aside your logic is that anything can happen so if you get invaded by multiple people (which is extremely rare) that you need your a high capacity magazine weapon at the ready to fire however many rounds.  I never mentioned banning all guns and frankly the courts can and do change laws which is what hopefully happens here.  Some states banning or limiting magazine capacity accomplishes nothing when I a California resident can go to a gun show in Nevada or Texas and buy there whatever I can't get here.    

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Gotbeer was being sarcastic. You took a comment about needing an AR with a high cap mag for hiking and completely lost focus about how actually stupid that is. He doesn't own a gun and hikes often solo. He discussed handgun options for bear but never said anything about purchasing one.

Sarcasm doesn't always translate on a message board nor did it seem to belong given I thought we were having a serious discussion after 21 people just got mowed down 19 of which were kids.

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

There was an article I read and posted here the other day. A home owner had four armed robbers break into his house. He killed two and held the others at gun point until the cops showed up. It didn’t say what gun the home owner had but four armed dudes is a lot. Having and AR with 30 rounds is a better option than a pistol with 10. Yes that is an unlikely scenario but not impossible. So what happens after a magazine ban doesn’t work? Do we keep going with gun restrictions? Where does it end in your opinion?

So you quote one article you don't even know all the details of the story and imply that supports high capacity magazine rifles?  As to the bolded part let's start with a ban first and go from there.  Banning them won't make them disappear but it would make it harder for the next soon to be 18 year to acquire one.

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

99.9% of people that have or purchase high capacity magazines use them for lawful purposes. You and I won’t agree on this because our beliefs about having to demonstrate a need. You can look at data from California if you’d like as we already have every single gun control measure on the books here.  

There's likely no reason you need a high capacity magazine rifle.  I know people that have such weapons and most of them go out to the desert, get drunk and shoot up shit.  That's probably what you do maybe sans the alcohol and that's not a need.  As long as you aren't getting mowed down by the 0.1% I guess it's no big deal.  Gun control measures or rather getting rid of the sale of certain weapons would be the first step while we try to address the mental health crisis.  No reason it should be just one or the other.  We'll agree to disagree but sitting here saying removing one of the parts of the equation isn't viable because of ________ is a cop out.  Have to start somewhere.    

12 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

 

Depends on where. 

Hiking in So Cal is pretty safe.  Only carry a knife for hiking.  And that's not for encounters but for emergency situations, if I need to make a splint, cut wood, make a shelter, etc.

Dispersed camping that involves backpacking in So Cal you would be correct and a handgun is probably all you want to carry.  

What I call car camping, where you can take your car and camp at a campground is probably the most dangerous camping in So Cal, and it's not because of the wildlife.  

But you go to northern Calolfornia, and the rules change.  Wildlife is more wild up there.  Bear and other animal encounters is not a rarity, and is more expected.  Hiking, camping, Rving, homes.  Biggest problem is the urbanites that think the animals are cute and feed them and want selfies with them.  Add in the fires are pushing their habitat and food away.  Even in So Cal, we've seen a huge increase in animals where I go camping because of the Bobcat fire.

Further north you go, the more aggressive the wildlife gets. 

Roughly 11 people each year die from bear attacks in North America and less than 1 a year from mountain lion attacks.  More people die from snake and dog attacks.  I understand the need in certain situations especially if you're alone but the need for a high capacity magazine weapon in those situations is extremely low.

1 minute ago, Jason said:

You may not agree with this and that’s fine but a “need” is irrelevant when it comes to exercising a right. The VA Tech shooter killed a lot of people with a 9mm and a .22 pistol. A dude killed 81 in Nice France with a truck. I understand where you are coming from but the overall gun deaths from rifles is a very small percentage of that total. Ban and remove all handguns if the goal is to remove the specific types of guns responsible. 

The right to bear arms was put in place 230+ years ago and falling back on 'exercising a right' is a farce considering how much guns and society have changed.  None of what you posted about people using pistols, cars, or whatever justifies high capacity magazine rifles.  We're talking about gun deaths in schools or for that matter any public area.  We can't remove all the guns, we can't prevent every unhinged person from going into any area with a gun, we can't prevent every unhinged person from possibly killing a family member and accessing their gun but we can at least try to address high capacity magazine weapons.  I'm fine with 2A and guns for self defense or hunting but you can't sit here and tell me there's a legit need for 99.99% of the population to need high capacity magazine weapons.

Just now, Jason said:

They’ll just shoot up the schools with handguns. It doesn’t matter what they choose to use. The fact people are shooting children is the biggest issue 

Hand guns are less effective at killing a large number of people.  We're a long way off from fixing what's going on mentally considering we have zero answers for what's going on mental health wise in this country, see how the number of homeless people suffering from mental illness.  Using your logic someone can drive a large vehicle into a classroom or a crowded area if they want to.  We aren't banning large vehicles but you can't tell me that 99.99% of the US population needs access to high capacity magazine rifles. 

11 minutes ago, Katie said:

A lot of the local mom Facebook groups I’m in also talk about how much harder it is to find therapists for minors 

From what I've heard it's been hard at times even for adults to find a therapist especially with the pandemic.  My buddy found one but his niece who's in college was having issues and I told him he should have her check with the school as they usually offer those services to students.  

34 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

See, that is the problem.  I need a rifle capable of mowing down a bear when I'm camping.  A psycho needs a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people.  Distinguishing between the two is the hard part. 

So when you're hiking do you have the rifle strung over your shoulder in case you come across a bear?  I would think a lot of bear encounters in nature involve those "oh shit" moments where you and the bear wander into each others area or line of site.  I'd think (perhaps incorrectly) that campers in your shoes likely go with a handgun that they can easily pack away and have concealed at the ready while they hike.  That said if you tell me to prevent schools from getting shot up the cost is that hikers can't carry high capacity magazine rifles that puts them at more of a disadvantage against Yogi and Boo Boo then that's a trade I'm fine with. 

7 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

It must have been a very high paying job for a 17-year old. An AR-15 (it's reported that's what he used) can go for several thousand and all the ammo, and then the truck. Not sure what year or model but vehicle prices are through the roof right now. The kid is 17, what kind of job could he have to afford all that? Again, the family was poor. He was living with his grandmother. His mom was addicted to drugs and the father was out of the picture.

You're asking the wrong questions.  Addicts still find a way I know because I just lost a friend who was one and he hadn't worked in years and this kid would have found a way just the same in the current environment.  I think some of the many questions we need to ask is why does anyone need a rifle capable of mowing down 21 people?  Also what's to prevent someone like this kid who has never been arrested for anything from buying a weapon when he's clearly mentally unstable?  I've got no answers but the current way of doing things clearly isn't working.

Just now, Lhalo said:

I liked going to that little green house. That's kind of how Gallo's in Newport was. 

My mom's friend dated a guy who supposedly lived there back in the day.  Maybe he was BS'ing us but we thought it was cool when we were 13 or so and it turned into a burger joint.  I'll take TK over any of the other options I've come across. 

39 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

When I worked in Irvine, I'd go to the Costa Mesa TK Burger all the time and our office would have it catered like twice a year.  Love that place

TK is my go to burger place and I hit up the one off PCH/1st street in HB about once a month - big bargain special, add a patty, grilled onions and mozzarella cheese.  My buddy still has a polaroid pic of me and him in front of the house before it became TK when we were probably 13 or so and his mom used to park in the dirt lot that is now part of Pacific City when we'd go to the beach.  You can always tell who is from out of town if you try to hit up that TK during the summer because the line for DQ is backed up onto the street whereas locals or people who have been before park and go to TK. 

Not to hijack to the thread it's just easier to talk about TK burger than what happened in Texas. 

Who the fuck thinks about shooting up an elementary school?  Absolutely terrible.  Don't care about the persons race or motivation and I don't know any details yet but I know no regular person needs a high capacity magazine rifle, body armor, etc.  Not sure what the answer is but obviously doing nothing doesn't help.

Despite being down 27% YTD Nasdaq is still up almost 90% the last 5 years while returns were heavily driven by FAANG, Microsoft and Tesla.  If you're overweight tech stocks or day trading it hurts but if you've been playing the long game many investors may still be up.  

There were environmental concerns with the proposed setup but they’ve also changed the requirements since the Carlsbad plant was approved. I’ll be curious to see what happens with the site and what it means for other desalination plants along the coast. I imagine interested companies make think twice before sinking tens of millions into something that may not get approved. 

Yeah I saw that same article

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-09/gartman-says-stocks-in-bear-market-until-a-one-day-5-6-drop

Hundreds of people working on a project that's now estimated to cost over $100B. Definitely makes sense to keep going for those hundreds of people at the expense of millions taxpayers.  I can't wait to not take a trip on whatever train they do eventually build. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/california-officials-warn-summer-power-shortages-blackouts/
 

I’d say it’s laughable that we did this dance 20+ years ago but it’s just sad and epitomizes how inept this states leaders are or rather it’s voters for allowing it to continue to happen. 

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I saw that movie as a 7 year old.

Still fucks me up to this day.

I saw it at a drive in and it definitely stuck with me as I couldn't name any of the other movies we saw there. 

Record number of trades in the first round, 6 WR's drafted in the first 18 picks, AJ Brown traded to Philly who gave him the more than $20M a year he wanted in an extension, Marquise Brown traded to Arizona where he's reunited with Kyler Murray, only 1 QB taken, GB didn't draft a WR and NE drafted a guy towards the end of round 1 who was ranked outside of most teams top 100.  Definitely an interesting first round and I think a lot of teams on day two could be looking to move up for guys they didn't think would still be on the board. 

I hope some day just for the laughs some independent group audits the project to see where the money ends up.  14 years after enough idiots approved it and it's been scaled back while the cost is 2.6x the original estimate and growing. 

So if you're not an asshole, not looking for confrontation and you respect the land and other people around you 99%+ of the time you'll be fine.  It's so simple in theory but impossible to pull off because there's no shortage of assholes in any given area.