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I'm somewhere in the middle of sarcasm and seriousness at this point. We are surely gonna suck next season but at least I have a bunch of new people to root for / watch.

Reddit guys know things and I don't think Dodgers make that trade today without having Harper lined up.

Surely. Losing an 18th round reliever will crater the farm.

Ugly. But whatever ... matches the on the field product.

But Safeco is a corporation too .... so nothing really changed there ...

Rays, Twins, Astros, Rockies could use him at 1B if they really want some more offense ..... someone will sign Cruz but not all of them can.

There is a dude in the Mariners subreddit who knows everything ... so these people do exist I believe. Time will tell if this guy does too.

Regarding Segura and Pazos ... (this guy has been right on the Mariners subreddit about every single trade before it has happened). And I didn't make that stupid Farm System thread, so no need to give me shit about it. MarinersInsider 5 points·8 days ago There were no offers for Segura even close to the Phillies'. The makeup questions didn't drive the poor market, he's just not considered anything but an above average player who will have to move of short sooner rather than later. That, and the no-trade clause (and the lack of teams willing to add payroll), mean not many teams are willing to part with real value to get him. Either you take the Phillies offer, or you hold him and hope he has a good first half and a contender's shortstop does poorly or gets hurt. MarinersInsider 10 points·8 days ago His velocity drop hurt his value. Mariners fans aren't realizing how bad his second half was. Even if you think he's an average reliever (like the public projections say), that's just not very valuable in the offseason. You could get a better return at the deadline, but given Pazos' instability, why risk it if the Phillies say he needs to be included?

How do you figure? Santana is owed $41m over the next two seasons. Edwin is owed $21m w/ a $5m buyout.. We also got a compensatory draft pick. Pretty obvious salary dump with an added draft pick. Pretty obvious we'll trade Edwin too though.

I prefer the direction this thread has gone.

Yes. The fight that happened in the clubhouse was apparently started by Segura directed at Dee Gordon. I mean Dee sucked, but you probably shouldn't be an asshole to teammates. Segura apparently had less trade value than people imagine. https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1069750708965072901

Rumors are no one gave a shit about Segura ... I mean the Angels knew he was on the block, why didn't Eppler give ol Jerry a call? Pazos might be injured .... https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1069728552784805888 https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1069750708965072901 https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1069455128531361792 Don't get me wrong. I'm not warm and fuzzy over this trade, but I also don't feel its the end of the world.

K? You're not wrong.

Smart Mariner fans never bought into that contending smoke and mirrors record from last season ... I followed the runs scored / runs against ... the writing was on the wall. I allowed myself to have false hope due to luck, but as expected, they crashed down to earth hard in the 2nd half. Also if you aren't first, you're last in my book .... I don't see us, you or the A's dethroning the Astros for a lil bit atop the AL West ... and splurging to shoot for a 1 game playoff lottery ticket seems crazier than burning the system down.

https://www.reddit.com/user/MarinersInsider This guy has been right about every piece of trade info he has leaked before its come out so far.

I'm fine with everything. Get rid of the old dinosaurs and their contracts with basically nothing on the book for 2020. Yeah we'll suck next season and likely the next .... but is it really any different than I've been subjected to the past 20 years? No. At least I can go into the season knowing not to care instead of being hyped until July.

That is Buster Olney saying they SHOULD include Haniger or Segura to do so ... no indication that is from anyone with the M's.

Why don't they have Marco Gonzales listed in there?

Yeah no Jay Bruce has no value not with that contract. He'll likely just DH and maybe rebuild some value and he's gone mid season with us eating some money. That is what I see happening anyway. And from all reports that I read, Kelenic will most likely advance up the Top 100 list easily. Dunn ... probably just a fringe-r.

Nah. Not for a while ... maybe hopefully Jay Bruce if he builds up value hitting the ball. Segura and maybe Haniger the next to go.

Kinda deserves it. I picked up Spencer Ware real quick in both my fantasy leagues.

Just returning some friendly offseason banter!

I mean if ya guys really got a problem with it, I'm sure you can have someone ban me whenever ya want, I'll live. For as many Mariner / Dipoto topics as I see on this forum, I get confused where I'm at sometimes!

From Upstate NY, who lives in Connecticut, whose favorite team is the Seattle Mariners. I get it. I'm a weirdo.

Thanks I was completely unaware how much the Mariners have sucked, cause ya know I didn't say I was fed up with them earlier or anything. Keep clinging on to 16 years ago .... you're not the Red Sox or Yankees. With all the shit you guys talk, you gotta be able to take a little bit. You can shit on the Mariners all ya want, I'll help lol, but if we're judging by World Series wins ... that means the Marlins are better than both of us?