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Yes, but that was before Rendon signed his multi-year deal and that leaves only room for one more bigger contract and I would greatly prefer they extend Ohtani. The team can take on near-term money, but long-term would be difficult, potentially.

I agree. When you look at long-term financials, the Angels are unlikely to extend Iglesias for more than 3 years, unless the 4th year is a team option with lower value.

I think I clicked wrong looking that up, my bad.

Moving Walsh is one type of permutation to this offseason, which I also mention in the Primer Series. This is all about the available information in trade discussions that Minasian is accumulating and there will be clearer paths he and the front office can see that others may not expect, such as a Walsh trade. On the flip side, I do speak about how unlikely this particular scenario is when you consider how well Jared destroyed RHP last year and he wasn't too shabby against LHP, either, so his youth, pre-arb control, and great production makes it less likely overall (but not impossible!).

The kids spell it 'thicc', Doc.

Yes, says Ohtani.

You were on a guy named Mark?

Stop trying to get testicular cancer so you can smoke weed, Toby.

No, it is the player themselves that can only receive one QO in their career. Teams can extend QO's to as many FA's as they please. Also the QO system may very well disappear, here, in the next CBA.

In his defense, AO, the QO has only been around for about 9 years, but the point is still taken.

I guess I should have held off on my prediction, yesterday, lol.

I, too, have not fully read this thread, in detail. However, I do have the following thoughts in regard to Iglesias that I am going to share here (and in the Primer Series): 1) The Angels clearly acquired Raisel in the first place to anchor the bullpen for a championship run in 2021. 2) Likely, in addition to the inexpensive acquisition price, the Angels clearly saw a scenario where, if the Halos were out of it at the Trade Deadline, they could move Iglesias (whether he was doing well or not) or, alternatively, a second scenario to keep him on the team and decide to make him a Qualifying Offer at the end of the season was the backup. The third scenario is actually the one that happened, where the Angels were swimming around in a pool of mediocrity and the Angels liked what they saw in Raisel and decided to keep him for a very unlikely stretch run and see if they can extend him, rather than lose him to free agency on a QO. 3) The Angels are probably doing their best to extend Iglesias, but they are likely to offer him a QO. Offering him the QO will still not deter the Angels from attempting to extend him, so the rest will fall on Iglesias' shoulders. I think the odds are in favor of the Angels if they handle it right, but no one is behind the scenes to give the play-by-play, so I'd say it is a coin toss at the moment. The market DOES favor Iglesias because he and one or two others are the top guys on what is a quantity vs. quality market. Also, for the Angels, they are probably trying to limit the extension to no more than 2-3 years, due to long-term payroll obligations, so that adds a layer of intrigue that could torpedo Raisel re-upping with the team. 4) Iglesias will probably be offered a QO and will likely accept it, but may not sign an extension because the market is very favorable for him. I can see him getting a 3-4 year deal at $50M+ due to the large amount of money floating out in baseball right now. That $50M mark is important because if he exceeds that, the Angels will get a slightly improved compensatory pick, which I think the odds favor, in what is likely to be a competitive market. In the end, if Moreno does NOT allow the team to exceed the Luxury Tax, then the Angels are better off offering the QO (taking the risk if he accepts it, which I think is relatively low) and letting him walk into FA. Arte should be, in my opinion, willing to take the risk if Raisel accepts the QO, it is a win-win for the team, overall, even if Moreno has to go over the Luxury Tax. If Moreno is willing to go over the Luxury Tax and the Angels can structure an appropriate 2+ year deal, then the Halos should do that, too, Iglesias has really good peripherals and skills that can help this team. If he walks, then the team will end up relying on other internal options or finding another trade target (this will not be easy) which will change the composition and quality of our 2022 bullpen in a less favorable way. So who knew that Raisel Iglesias would be such a lightning rod for the Halos offseason? If he stays, he impacts payroll in a manner that will force Arte to exceed the Luxury Tax probably. If he leaves, the Angels will have to revise their offseason bullpen plans, but will likely get a favorable compensation pick in next year's Rule 4 Draft. EDIT: I should note that there are very few relievers out there that compare to Iglesias. He 2021 season was pretty unique and so finding a replacement is going to be very difficult (not impossible). He certainly topped out at the right moment in his career as he heads into potential free agency. The Angels are going to have to pay him if they want him to stay, whether it is in total years or AAV.

Both of you are correct, this is simply pulling him onto the 40-man to start the year in AAA, nothing more. If the Angels get hit with a lot of position player injuries we could see him, but likely he will pick up some time throughout the year, probably in September for a cup of coffee and then may become an actual option in 2023 or continue as depth or may fall off the radar. Hope he pans out, as he has in the upper Minors for us, but for now this is strictly a depth and protection move.

"... It's just been revoked!"

So, there may be a couple of factors at play here that made the Athletic take such a leap in salary: 1) A lot of teams have cash this offseason to spend. 2) Scherzer made a compelling case in 2021, based on performance. That being said, I think the absolute ceiling is 2-3 years and no more than $40M or so, based on comparable contracts in recent seasons. Also the maximum AAV handout has been like $36M or so, and the Athletic thinks he jumps to $50M per season? Seems absurd to me, particularly at his age. Sounds like Scott Boras is making an aggressive early play in the off-season. I just see no way he even touches $50M AAV, personally. He will get paid, just not that much, no matter how good of a season he had.

Per the CBA, the contribution is around that number. A couple of years back in the Primer Series I noted that the number had gone up, after I read the CBA, but a lot of people didn't believe me, they were still believing it was in the $7.4M range give or take, but it did go up in the new (soon to be old) CBA. Basically in 2017 it was a maximum $7.31M. However it is the bottom clause that launched it much higher, particularly the part about the year-to-year total player salary totals. By the time we have arrived in 2021, it is much higher. Of course it should be noted, as @Jeff Fletcher reminded me recently, that there is basically no CBA for this off-season and everything could change.

@Angel Oracle Here you go: There is a couple of more sentences on the following page, but you get the gist.

No, just Scooter Gennet's!

A couple of relevant, yet somewhat generic, quotes from the new Angels scout from a book about prospect hits and misses in the draft: This ties in with Minasian's comment about finding prospects with the right mental attitude toward the sport. Basically sounds like the Angels will be looking for gifted, yet mentally mature prospects in future drafts, utilizing the right balance of analytics information and subjective visual critiques of their performance(s).

Biographical Information[edit] The son of GM Joe McIlvaine, Tim McIlvaine played briefly then became a scout. Tim was the #4 catcher for the 2004 GCL Twins, going 6 for 26 with 6 walks and four runs. He had no errors, four passed balls and allowed six steals in eight tries in 10 games behind the plate. The next year, he became an area scout for the Milwaukee Brewers. He signed Jonathan Armold, Hiram Burgos, Scooter Gennett, David Goforth and Jeremy Jeffress.

Jason likes Five Guys.

Fixed. A little disappointed, in you, Toby.

To directly answer the question re-signing is a smart move. However, our budget will not accommodate Iglesias and one of the better available starters, so it seems less likely.

Yes I would love to see it, too. Have to imagine it has a weighted, composite scoring system for how they score players, including surplus value, with running trend lines. Inputs probably include Statcast type stats like exit velocity, barreling, etc., in addition to the aforementioned makeup, clubhouse presence, etc. Likely also has variability bands showing the risk level of each player, likely on an individual stat level, which is then rolled up into an overall risk band for the player as a whole. If it is implemented properly it would be a powerful tool to identify the types of players the weighting system leans toward, helping the team target the right guys or at least the best guys available at any particular point in time.