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Yes, but chicks dig the sac bunt.

'61 I'm okay with your list except for Garver. Isn't it gonna take $10m plus for Garver, and multiple years? Why would we want to block or backup O'Hoppe at this point? Or are you putting Garver in a platoon at 1B with Schanuel?

'61 I know you're somehow reading the forum via a 1970s IBM Selectric III typewriter. You may want to check your indent setting.

Golden Gloves* Didn't ya know, both White and Canning are fantastic amateur boxers.

Only thought of this one too late. I'll cheat and edit it in.

This is the most likely change of scenery this guy is going to get in 2024...

Well, be fair to Rendon, B-R has correctly listed his primary position as IL. So he's filling his primary spot in the lineup most days.

Because we'll have a 16.5% chance at the first overall pick after finishing with a bottom-3 overall record.

Is it time to change the thread title yet? The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Cold Stove Offseason Thread

It's not really a loophole. It's really the opposite of a loophole. Discounting future money to present value is a hard fact of economics. What might be arguable what the discount rate should be. There's an argument to be made that 4.0-4.5% is too low, in which case, the Dodgers might actually be getting hit with a larger current AAV than they really should be.

Wow, happy birthday to D-Mac.

When it comes up, we should ask the Dodgers "who would you pick here" and then pick that guy. That way it will twist the knife just a tiny bit. A very tiny bit.

25% of Dodgers current valuation of $4.8b is $1.2b. It's the minimum value *today* of the 25% ownership option that is being imaged maybe exists. Such an option will have more than $1.2b in value by 2034. See the Nobel Prize winning work by Black and Scholes if you're interested in the oddities of contract option pricing. I'm just telling you that this 25% ownership theory is way off, financially/mathematically. So is 15%. Ohtani's not getting 25% ownership for $680m of future payments. Nor 15%. The correct application of option pricing models in those cases would value the Dodgers below the $2.15b that was paid by the current group back in 2012! Not possible! If such a deal exists, it will be something on the order of 2% to 5% or something in that range for a chunk of his payments after 2034.

Youppi?

Okay, then you think the Dodgers have just paid Ohtani a heavily front-loaded 10 year deal. $1.202 billion paid in the first year ($2 million salary, plus $1.2 billion ownership asset), 2 million for the next 9 years. No $68 million dollar payments beginning 2034, just the 25% stake. The value of that deal is $1.22 billion. Current day value. No future discounting required. You seriously think that's what Ohtani got? I'm just trying to help ya'll understand that any ownership share will be closer to 2.5% than 25%.

Regrettably, there is no other word for people who think Shohei got a 20 year call option on a 25% stake of $4.8 billion dollar asset. It's impossible. It's only believable if the guy missed a decimal point, and the stake is something like 2.5%.

It's an MLB contract. It's not voidable or supersedeable. Per collective bargaining. So they're going to have to pay him through 2043 in any case. Sale couldn't be completed until 2043 then. Magic Johnson bought a 4.5% stake in the Lakers. That's in the range of financially possible. A 10 year option on a 25% stake locked in at current valuation is way over a billion dollars of present day value. I'm too lazy to do the Black-Scholes calculation on it, but it's way over $700 million, probably on the order of something like double that.

What a minute, people think what? Shohei gets his $700 million plus a 25% stake of a team that's currently valued at $4.8 billion. So you think Shohei is actually getting $1.9 billion? Ya'll bonkers. Keep in mind, that in 2034 the Dodgers will almost certainly be worth $10 billion or so. Or do you think Shohei will use the $700 million cash to buy a 25% stake in the year 2043, once he's got all the payouts? By 2043 the Dodgers will likely be worth about $20 billion, but the Dodgers are willing to give him a 25% stake for only $0.7b? Ya'll need to go back to junior high school math and economics classes.

That's tax deferral, which has a flat number cap. Shohei is not just deferring the taxes on it, he's deferring the receiving of it entirely. Not even the IRS is so evil as to tax you on payroll you haven't received yet.

So according to B-R numbers, Arte has paid Shohei just under $40 million in his time with the Angels. Aka, his "cost controlled" years. Doesn't include the fee paid to his Japan team. Dodgers won't have paid Shohei $40 million until Q2 of 2034.

Now we know why it wasn't him. At only $2 million a year, he can't afford to fly a Global 5000 anywhere on his own dime. 8 hours round trip x $10k an hour for a G5000 = $80k for the SNA-YYZ round trip. That's the equivalent of $2400 for someone making $60k a year.

It figures. Dodgers would never have thought to offer it, because it's insane and they probably expected Ohtani to be insulted by such an offer. This confirms it, Ohtani is the most financially illiterate person ever to have a nine figure net worth.

Arte paid $30 million to Ohtani (arbitration 2023 salary) before he hit free agency. No World Series, and revenue will drop in the immediate future (reduced advertising, etc.). Dodgers will pay him $2 million after free agency. Immediate revenue boost. Dodgers will pay him with inflated money beginning in 2034, after they've won multiple World Series and their revenues/profits have had a decade worth of increases. The Dodgers have pulled one of the biggest swindles I've ever seen.

I think it's backwards of this actually. The Dodgers are the ones putting the money away until 2034. They'll almost certainly make a better ROI on it than Ohtani thinks he can, then they'll pay Ohtani later with either a portion of their return. The Dodgers will come out ahead here.