Angels_Fan

8 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yes, but at the same time it depends on how those teams value Kluber.  

True. Also just have to hope that they like the Angels players being offered more.

39 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Hilarious. This thread delivers.

I learned you can't predict the future, so picking a team is short sighted.

Haha. Roster turnover happens pretty quickly in baseball. Farm systems change. Players decline, improve. Teams make trades, signings.

Cole doesn’t even know who his teammates will be in 2021 and beyond 

Seems like there’s a lot of competition for him. Don’t those teams also have strong farm systems?

2 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

He made the right decision.  It's $324 million.

Probably. I think the money and years was the number 1 factor for his decision.

Just now, jchalos89 said:

Im in. I want to see Trout Rendon Ohtani back to back to back against Cole in ALCS, eliminating the Yankees

Let’s hope   

4 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

yes that is true. just 1 year out of 9. but there is no ML team that has most prospects, most flexible sal cap, the best squad right now, and smart front office that wont fk up in next 9 years at the same time so they can have best team now and will be the best for next 9 years.

so if cole wanted to take best chance to win a WS every season, he better sign 1 year deal with Yankees, and sign another 1 year deal with the team that looks to have the best chance in 2021, and sign another 1 year deal after that season, vice versa, and you know that isnt happening.

he was getting huge, long term contract from Yanks,Angels, or Dodgers and nobody predicts 8-9 years of future. that applies to every teams in the league, not just Junkies. 

like you said, at the point of his signing, Yankees has the best "chance" to win the chip and cole took that. all im saying is, his decision is right since he took the best chance at this point. you know chances arent guaranteed, Yanks can actually have like 25 guys going to DL next yr and have horrible season. who knows? what im saying is, chance wise, yankees top the Angels and cole is right about that

For 2020, maybe. But you can’t definitively say anything about 2021 and beyond. So many things can change and fast.

Just now, ScottT said:

Right now. I'd bet on the Yankees being better in 2021, too.  

While they haven't won a world series in ten years, they've been to the playoffs in most of them.  They are always going to spend. The Angels do so to a lesser and less consistent extent.  

Cole choosing the Yankees because he wants to win a world series or two makes a lot of sense.  They also offered another year.

Maybe, maybe not. But the Red Sox won 108 games in 2018 and looked destined to dominate for years to come, too. And then they played like a .500 team for a good portion of 2019 and fired their GM. 

A lot of things can go right or wrong in a very short period, let alone nine years. Teams can make signings, players can have break out years or decline, farm systems can change, etc. etc.

Only time will tell whether Cole truly made the right decision (hopefully he regrets it).

1 minute ago, jchalos89 said:

Well if Yankees dont win a chip in Cole's prime years, they might have an washed up arm taking 35M by the end of his contract. That's the risk Yanks took when offering that contract. Angels did the same and offered 300M/8yrs contract to him too. That's just what you do to beat other teams to get a rare superstar in this league.

Yes, he is only 1 of 26 players and in baseball, he alone cant win the WS. We know it better than anybody in the league since Angel fans has Mike Trout and 0 PS win with him. But looking at other 25 players in the team now, Yankees are way better than the Angels. That is just a fact and that isnt even close to contention. If Cole signed the Angels, expecting this team to be better than Yankees immediately, then that is when Cole (and Angels) pinning hopes of winning in 1 player (or 2 with Trout) given current squads.

Yankees has much better line up, starting rotation, bull pen than Angels and the only weakness for them was a top of rotation guy who they can give rock to in must win situations, and Gerrit Cole is exactly that. That's why guys are saying he made right decision if his reason was to win a chip.

Now, it is up to the Angels to make his choice wrong by winning it before the Yankees (and of course I want that to happen). At this point Angels arent as good as Yanks but they signed Rendon since Cole signed with Yanks, and Angels are also openly pursuing more FA starters and trades for more starters. We dont know if it will work out or not, just have to hope they get some guys that are good, and durable and then we are in the contention.

Yeah, nobody is disputing that the Yankees will in all likelihood be better than the Angels in 2020. But that’s just year one of a nine year contract.

Just now, m0nkey said:

Ok, so if he wants his best shot at a WS then he should've signed with the Angels?

If he wants his best shot at a WS for just 2020, he made the right choice...probably. But for 2021-2028? That’s not something he or anyone can know.

3 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

well, when signing those long term contracts, usually back end of those contracts are just incentives to get those superstars to sign. Angels did the same thing when they were signing Pujols (well he fell apart way quicker than Angels expected but still).

Yankees arent looking to win in Cole's 9th year. He doesnt have to predict what will happen at that time. Yanks want to win now, and Cole wants to win in his prime years, starting from 2020. And it's hard to say Cole made wrong choice in that regards

He wants to win a WS. He can theoretically win one 9 years from now. He’s not the only player on the team (just one of 26). If the Yankees are pinning their hopes for winning  on one player, as you suggest, then they’d be in trouble.

And if the Angels make the postseason, there’d be very little difference between them and the Yankees given the sample size we’d be talking about (a whopping 7 games, at most). 

4 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

idk why you are so into those predicting 9 years thing, but Cole won't be the same after like 4-5 years. Im 100% sure even Yankees dont expect Cole to be CY contender for full 9 years. They want his first 4-5 years and want to win 1-2 chips in those years. After that, Cole can be all washed up and Yanks will eat up his contract. That's what big market Yankees can do.

Angels can sign good starters and may have chance at PS but if you are talking about current roster's potential for next 3 years, Angels has no chance against Yankees regarding WS title. Also, at his point of signing, he didnt even know if Rendon will choose to sign with the Angels and it's not like he was going to have 324M/9yrs and 300M/8yrs contract offers hang out there and wait to see if Angels land Rendon or not

Because he signed a 9 year contract. It’s pretty simple.

2 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

The Yankees have the better team now.  As you say, anything can happen in 9 years.  But given the current state of the organizations, aren't the Yankees more likely to go to a world series than the Angels over the term of the contract?

For this year, the Yankees likely have a better chance to make the postseason (and win a WS, as a result) than the Angels. But that doesn’t mean the Angels wouldn’t have a great chance to make the postseason, especially with a few good additions to the rotation. 

Beyond 2020, nobody knows.

Look at the Red Sox as an example. WS winners one year and look built for long-term success, and then they’re slightly more than a .500 team the next year and they fired their GM.

12 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

No one can predict the future but no objective baseball fan would say he made a poor choice if he wants to play for a competitive team. The Yankees are as good a bet as any franchise to do what they can to remain competitive under current ownership. 

The Yankees haven’t won a WS in over a decade (which is what he wants, apparently).

Anything can happen once a team gets to the postseason. The sample size in the postseason is too small for there to be any distinct advantage between postseason teams. Most of the time it just boils down to which team is hotter at the right time.

If the Angels can add a few good starters in addition to Rendon, they’ll have a great chance to make the postseason this year. And nobody can predict what will happen until 2028. So, yes, I’d say it was short-sighted. 

Just now, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

The Yankees won 31 more games than the Angels last year.  I’m sure the massive contract was the deciding factor but it also happened to be with a team that averaged 98 wins the previous three seasons while making the playoffs every year.  

Can he predict the future, though? So many things can change and happen within those 9 years.

The Yankees may be closer to a title as of this moment, but a lot can happen and change within 9 years. Heck, the Angels aren’t even done adding/improving for this season. It seems short-sighted on his part if that is the primary reason he chose the Yankees. I hope he regrets it.

4 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I asked Fabian from the athletic about what it would take to get kluber and this was his response

I believe a trade (if they didn't want to include Marsh) would likely at least involve one from each of the categories listed above. So one of:

A young starter (Suarez, Sandoval)
A middle infielder (La Stella, Fletcher, Rengifo, maybe Thaiss)
A high-upside lower level prospect (Adams, Deveaux, Jackson, etc.)

Unless Kluber is damaged goods and about to fall off a cliff, why hasn’t this trade been completed already? Suarez + Rengifo or Thaiss + Deveaux wouldn’t be a bad trade for the Angels.

13 minutes ago, totdprods said:

The more I become familiar with Rendon the more I’m starting to think this was actually the better route. Missing out on Wheeler is starting to hurt a little more, but if he wanted to stay east and would’ve required an ever greater overpay that he got, then there wasn’t much we could do. 

Who would have thought that Mickey Callaway would have wound up being one of our more critical signings?

If the Angels can acquire two good starters in addition to the Rendon signing, missing out on Cole wouldn’t be a bad thing. The Angels would be a 90+ win team (on paper). I also truly believe that Ohtani can be that stopper/ace in the postseason for this team. 

Just now, Jeff Fletcher said:

No. The Cubs will trade Contreras. Apparently they feel they need Darvish more because of losing Lester and Quintana. 
 

As for Gray, I heard he was available and then I heard I wasn’t and now people are talking about him again so who knows. 

Interesting. Thanks. 

11 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

The Cubs don’t want to trade Darvish, according to Cubs writers I talked to. 

I assume that also means Contreras isn’t going anywhere (unless the Angels offer something that they cannot refuse aka overpaying).

What about Jon Gray? Is he a realistic target for the Angels?

3 minutes ago, eaterfan said:

1. I don't think teams can deal from the position of assuming Kluber is still Kluber.

2. One year of control isn't worth a ton of prospects, at least it hasn't been recently.

He could be had for potentially two years. I’m just worried that the Indians know something about Kluber that other teams don’t. But if the cost is only Deveaux and Rengifo, it’s a risk worth taking.

Just now, Mark68 said:

Because they're going to trade Lindor for a bunch of Dodgers...

Couldn’t they do a lot better than Rengifo and Deveaux, assuming Kluber is still Kluber?

3 minutes ago, Second Base said:

If all Corey Kluber costs is Trent Deveaux and a choice between Rengifo and Sandoval, then Eppler needs to be extended immediately 

It also makes one wonder why the Indians would trade a potential ace on an affordable contract for just Rengifo and Deveaux. 

6 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

 

I don’t doubt it. One doesn’t spend 7/245 on Rendon without being all-in. I think the trade route is far more likely, but who knows.

2 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

The more I think about Kluber and the cost that has been floated around for him, you gotta pull the trigger on this if they're asking for Sandoval (who I really like), Rengifo and Devereux.

Agreed. Gotta give something to get something. That would be a steal if he pitches like an ace. At worst, he may be a mid-rotation arm. Still an ok trade.