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So Trout is fat, underpaid, hits better in CF, likes Jaime Maggio's rack, and is leaving..... got it thanks!

The best thing would be that any opposing teams who lose to a Jeter-led Yankee team would receive a ride back to the hotel and a gift basket.

Careful tdawg, this could quickly turn into a Bourjos thread.

The title of the original post is about his trade value, not just focusing on his HR's.

Yes everything you said is absolutely correct. I think the player's association thought that the new Qualifying Offer would work in a similar manner to the old Type A and Type B compensation system and didn't look at how it might possibly be abused and that is their fault in the end (the Player's Association). As another poster pointed out this will almost definitely be revisited in the next CBA discussion, in my opinion.

Again you are avoiding the fact that it is nearly impossible to find a hitter for the 2014 season who can hit over 30 HR's and provide average corner outfield defense (or 1B defense) for the price of about $1.5-2.0 million. Even in 2015 Trumbo's salary will probably be around $4-4.5 million and you will still have incredible difficulty finding any power hitter cheaper than that. Stop just looking at the stat line. His salary plays a huge part in the evaluation here and is what makes him worth a high end prospect period. That is math that makes sense.

It could be latent lag. Happens to me all the time.

I agree they are not breaking the rules as they have been set up I am just saying that I don't think this was the "spirit of the law" so to speak, that is all.

I think too much to be honest. Perhaps it's time for a real break from it.

Sigh people are not hearing me. It is not about the $14 million dollar figure, I don't care a rat's behind about that. I am more concerned that Seattle (and possibly other teams with other players) is using the Q.O. in a manner that it was not intended to be used (as referenced in my other recent post). More importantly I just brought it up as a point of discussion but everyone loves to jump down each others throats around here and act like it is my position vs. your position. Can't we just talk without the damn condescending attitudes?

I guess you're not very good at your job then YOT, if the Trumbo math you've done prevents you from seeing that he could bring back a high-end prospect?

Again the message and question I was trying to get across is getting buried under the fact that everyone on this board would love to make $14,000,000 dollars. When I first read this story my thought (and perhaps I should have phrased it more carefully in the original post) was "Hey the Qualifying Offer is hindering Morales' ability to enter free agency!". I think everyone can agree here that Morales making $14 million next season would be good for him. The main point I was trying to bring up is that inside the baseball universe, where normal real-life rules don't apply, the player's association has long held that free agency is a goal that every player works hard to get to and is considered a reward of sorts for putting "in the time". The use of the Qualifying Offer by the Mariners has put a stranglehold on Morales because if he refuses it, there will now be draft compensation attached to him and very few teams will want to sign him to a long term contract for higher amounts of money because they will lose their first round pick. This is the difference between Morales making, say, $10 million per year vs., say, $6 million per year if the paying team loses its draft pick. Basically Morales is very likely to lose a lot of long term money if he declines the Qualifying Offer and continues into free agency. Kendrys doesn't win anything with this, he only loses money. Only Seattle wins because they get a draft pick if he signs elsewhere. By extending the Qualifying Offer it does one of two things for Seattle: 1) They get Morales at 1 year/$14 million (which is an overpay by most estimations) OR 2) Seattle extended the offer in order to put pressure on Morales to sign a long term contract with THEM because they know any other team out there probably won't pay more than an AAV of $6 million or so and they can, POTENTIALLY, force Morales to take a 3 year/$24 million deal which would be a little less than he probably could have got on the open free agent market. The point I am trying to make is that Seattle has used the Qualifying Offer in a manner that it was not necessarily intended for which is to put pressure on a player to sign with them at a reduced price. If Morales just plays for 1 year at $14 million yes he is gaining some value. But if he had been able to sign a 3 year/$30 million guaranteed contract, that $30 million is greater than the $14 million and carries more security for Morales. By making the Q.O. Seattle is trying to bring Morales to the negotiating table and sign him at a reduced rate (and it is debatable what Morales is worth I'm just throwing out semi-reasonable numbers) to maybe 3 years/$24 million or maybe even less.

Well at least the Angels didn't act like fake winners.

I would be happy with just 3 straight 99 win seasons.

I wonder how Tim Salmon would do as a manager? Not championing this.... Some former Angels might not be a bad idea to take a look at.

The signing team loses their first round pick and the team that loses the player would obtain a sandwich pick is the way I understand it. So really it is sort of like a #31 pick (or #32, #33, etc.) for the "losing" team while the signing team completely loses their 1st round pick (or 2nd round pick if that team has a protected 1st round pick).

No I don't think he would sign a contract with an AAV of greater than $14 million either. However it is quite possible that he could sign, say, a 3 yr./$30 million dollar contract, with a contending team, and would be able to move to that city, buy a home, and have the comfort of knowing that he will get all of that $30,000,000, even if he is injured. This is especially important to Morales, I'm sure, because he knows what it is like to get injured and nearly have his career ended prematurely. $30 million >>>> than $14 million Again I agree with you guys that this is a lot of money no matter what but free agency was set up to give a player flexibility and the qualifying offer is taking that flexibility away.

You may be right but there are two things: 1 ) It's about the ability, in free agency, to choose where you want to play and 2 ) Obtaining a longer term contract that allows you to buy a home and move your family into an area, knowing you will be there for a specific length of time. I guess my complaint is more about the fact that the players work hard to earn the right of becoming a free agent and then to have a team effectively decide your fate seems counter to the whole idea of becoming a free agent.

So I was just reading a story about how the Mariners plan to offer Morales a qualifying offer (approximately $14 million) in the off season. This effectively limits Morales from pursuing a longer contract with another team (mainly AL teams because Morales would mainly DH due to defensive concerns) as many GM's would not want to sigh Kendrys if they have to lose their first round draft pick. Either way Morales will make some money but I can't help but feel a little sorry for him as the Mariners have effectively hijacked his ability to enter the free agent market. If he refuses the offer he may not find another contract due to the draft pick loss tied to signing him and if he accepts he has to stay in Seattle (albeit at $14,000,000) for one year. If he performs the Mariners will more than likely do the same thing next year. If he performs poorly his FA stock will fall and he won't get nearly as much out on the open market next off season. We can wax poetic all day about the absurd salaries that MLB players receive but inside their bubble world it really seems that Morales has been boxed into a corner when he is supposed to be hitting free agency where he is supposed to have the freedom to choose which team he wants to go too.

Not sure if this is a craig but Rosenthal tweeted: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385006707736588288 Apparently some inside the FO believe both of them will stay.

In my original post that you responded to I was quite clear that Trumbo has other flaws and have considered them in this discussion. I am not ignoring those things, I just think you are missing the fact that he provides average defense in combination with the massive power and poor OBP/plate discipline and that still is going to be valuable to many teams. We will just have to agree to disagree and hope that, IF, Mark is traded that we obtain good value.

With all due respect, league average hitters don't hit 30 HR's. You would be lucky to get a dozen home runs out of a league average hitter. I don't think I'm overrating him a bit and you have to seriously consider his price tag right now which is going to be probably about $1.5 million for 2014 which is dirt cheap. That is the point that people are missing is Trumbo's value. There are many small market teams out there (and large one's too) that would love to have a 30+ HR hitter at an affordable price for 2-3 years. Try to find a 30+ HR hitter on the free agent market and you'll be paying through the nose (at least $10,000,000 +). That is my point of why Mark will net us a good pitching prospect on the level of Bradley, Lee, et. al.

Well, first of all, another team having to deal with his sub-par post-ASB hitting is not our concern. Secondly, despite his other flaws, power like Mark's does not grow on trees, especially in a supposedly post-PED's era. Trumbo is consistently putting up 30+ HR seasons along with a steady 2+ WAR per season. That has value, especially considering that Mark is entering arbitration for the first time. I know many of you look at what he would bring back in terms of Major League players but the reality is that Mark would bring back a significant pitching prospect (think Archie Bradley for instance) plus another prospect or two. Our greatest haul will come through prospects, not other MLB players. Although there is always inherent risk with acquiring prospects, their long term value and cost-control is what will help turn this team around in future years.

Really mod's that is a movie line?

Small error: De La Rosa was traded not picked up off of waivers.