Angels 1961

July 4, 1962 Angels defeat Washington Senators in a doubleheader and are in first place. A great feat for a second year team. Most of you will not remember this but I do, one of my greatest memories as an Angel fan.

I feel Mike Trout is not far behind for his family I hope he does. Cases are going up because lack of leadership in our nation. Look at numbers in Canada they had a national plan. In this country we are hoping Penn and Teller can just make it disappear.

Over 1% have tested positive so far before workouts, that number will go up. Mike Trout and other players will have concerns and be on their mines thru out this process. If I was in same spot I would opt out. Keep your family safe top priority.

9 hours ago, failos said:

Does mike trout care about winning?

Cares about his family.

3 hours ago, SoPas Angel said:

I do not remember another Angel for whom family seemed more important than Mike Trout. This doesn't surprise me one bit, nor do I blame him.

To me the only choice opt out hope for healthy 2021.

Family first, not worth the risk a short season that might be canceled. Let's hope we can have a healthy 2021.

5 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Does anyone know if there will indeed be an AFL season this autumn?   Without that, every MLB franchise is screwed out of an entire year of development.

5 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Does anyone know if there will indeed be an AFL season this autumn?   Without that, every MLB franchise is screwed out of an entire year of development.

5 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Does anyone know if there will indeed be an AFL season this autumn?   Without that, every MLB franchise is screwed out of an entire year of development.

Depends where this virus is going. Swine flu on the way next who knows if we have a 2021 season.

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

And I agree, if you're an asshole you should be addressed. I know that I respect my family and friends when they call me out in private on something that I did or said because they care about the relationship and the overall environment we're all in together.

I just don't like the timing of this as he sits out the season and takes to Instagram with his complaints. 

It's kind of like Mike Fiers. He had a chance to address the team about cheating when he was on the Astros, but he didn't do it until he moved on to another team. 

It's kinda like the 3 officers who stood by and did nothing as another officer kneels on neck of George Floyd then claim I've only been an officer 3 days.

13 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

God....this  Topic is really making me question a few of you guys and what goes in your heads...

You Guys want Adams on the main roster, when he's only had 40  at bats at A+, where he hit only 229. Not only this, you guys want to start the clock on a guy that easily at-least 2/3 years away from being ready. You waste 3 cheap years and a full year of develop for Adams. He's not going to get his at-bats, effecting his development.  Mind blowing the people are still about this. 

extra inning rule really doesn't help.

Adell and Marsh, are going to be the future, but i rather have them develop more instead of  starting the season on the 30 man roster. Maybe game 30 or 40, looking at where we are, call one of them up, unless injury happen and need to be called early.   Both need development, so allow them to develop.

Detmers= i said this on the other board, but i rather allow him to develop physically and develop his cutter and change. Than call him up, get shell shocked, lose that mentally, and needs to go down and instead of starting from point 3, he needs to restart everything. The highest competition he's faced are a bunch of college hitters, 0 and i mean 0 milb experiences. Get him developed in a control environment and look at next year as the year to call him up.

Plus there's a reason that guy don't get called the same year they are drafted. They aren't fully developed. 

Ok no on Adams but I start Adell in RF and Detmers could be in rotation next year.

12 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

God....this  Topic is really making me question a few of you guys and what goes in your heads...

You Guys want Adams on the main roster, when he's only had 40  at bats at A+, where he hit only 229. Not only this, you guys want to start the clock on a guy that easily at-least 2/3 years away from being ready. You waste 3 cheap years and a full year of develop for Adams. He's not going to get his at-bats, effecting his development.  Mind blowing the people are still about this. 

extra inning rule really doesn't help.

Adell and Marsh, are going to be the future, but i rather have them develop more instead of  starting the season on the 30 man roster. Maybe game 30 or 40, looking at where we are, call one of them up, unless injury happen and need to be called early.   Both need development, so allow them to develop.

Detmers= i said this on the other board, but i rather allow him to develop physically and develop his cutter and change. Than call him up, get shell shocked, lose that mentally, and needs to go down and instead of starting from point 3, he needs to restart everything. The highest competition he's faced are a bunch of college hitters, 0 and i mean 0 milb experiences. Get him developed in a control environment and look at next year as the year to call him up.

Plus there's a reason that guy don't get called the same year they are drafted. They aren't fully developed. 

Only reason I said Adams for pinch runner with new rule in extra inn games. Only 60 games maybe only 15 for players 29 and 30. With this virus who knows if we finish this season or have a 2021 season. With Adell he is a very special player and if you want best 9 in field I start him in RF over other options we have. Goodwin, Ward, Hermosillo, Walsh  I pick Adell. You want him to develop let him play.

9 hours ago, Hubs said:

Who’s your starter in RF if Adell is not an option?  
Goodwin? He had three great and three bad months last year, Not exactly consistent. He Had three roughly league Average years and hit just 17 HR, nearly half of what he has hit in his entire career.

Walsh had 36 HR in AAA and 1 in the majors last season. He had 36 AAA HR in just 98 Games. 
 

Yes it was at Salt Lake, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit similar power in the majors. I could see him starting the majority or even just say 25 games between RF and 1B, this season.

If Adell is not an option as he would be my first choice. David Fletcher will be in RF with maybe Goodwin 2 times a week. This is 60 game sprint you need your best players in field. Thaiss will platoon with Albert at 1B. Walsh is great defensive 1B but not in OF. It's a numbers game for Walsh and to me he will be odd man out this season.

4 hours ago, Hubs said:

I will bet you Detmers is not on the 30-man to start the season.

Walsh has 87 PA in the majors and you're gonna give up on him? He's a lefty. He hit .301/.375/.538 in five seasons in the minors. A .913 OPS. He had a 1.109 OPS in SLC last year.

Walsh could get the majority of starts in RF if he's hitting. He could also platoon with Pujols at 1st. And also be available to pitch on days he doesn't start. And provides serious power off the bench, as a lefty.

Goodwin could get 20, 8 in CF (4 when Trout is off, and 4 when Trout is DH), and 10 in LF (when Upton is off or is the DH). Though I figure Fletcher to get a lot of OF time.

Adell hasn't started his service clock, while Walsh has. Adding Walsh to the active roster doesn't mean you have to cut someone, but you would for Detmers or Adell (or Marsh) Adell most certainly will be the better player long term, but they may not want to start his service clock for a prorated season. Likewise for Adams or Marsh.

If your starters are Trout CF, Upton LF, Pujols 1B, Fletcher RF, LaStella 2B, Simmons SS, Rendon 3B, Castro C, and Ohtani DH, three are lefties, six are righties. Rengifo and Thaiss are your primary infield backups, and Goodwin is your primary OF backup. All of those guys are lefties or switch hitters. Stassi is a righty. That's 13.

I doubt they will carry 18 pitchers, meaning there is room for two of Hermosillo, Ward, or Walsh (or Adell, I guess).

Angels are lucky cuz Ohtani is a two way, so you can have 5 other starters, 9 men in the pen and still have 15 hitters. Two weeks in, dropping to 28 and it's likely you lose a hitter and pitcher, leaving you with 8 man pen and 14 hitters. At 26, you may have 13 pitchers and 12 hitters not including Ohtani (a 4 man bench), but I bet it's 13 hitters and 12 pitchers, meaning a 6 man rotation and a 7 man pen.

 

 

 

Keep Adell and Hermosillo need your best players in a 60 game sprint.

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

AngelsWin, where less than 80 at bats defines Walsh, but Adams and his zero at bats gives him value.  Hell even Taylor Ward has 177 at bats over two seasons in his career, which is less than 1/3 of a season worth of at bats.  Ward would have much more value in a season like this than Adams.  It seems like the thought is Adams could pinch run in extra innings.  Ok, so we will have how many extra inning games?  3 or 4?  We have zero idea if Adams is a good base runner.  We just know he is fast.  Might as well bring back Bourjos and not waste a year of Adams control.  

Then bring back Bourjos he has speed, remember only for first 15 games then rosters go to 28. I just see zero value with Walsh or Ward, they will not play. Walsh will not pitch will have plenty of pitchers. 

1 minute ago, Hubs said:

Also, Walsh has a 1.80 ERA in the majors in 5 games, small sample for a pitcher, so... we don't know what he is as a pitcher yet.

 

Walsh pitched only in mop up games give me Detmers he could help. 

38 minutes ago, Hubs said:

The man at 2nd in extra innings is the last guy to bat in the 9th. So they'd have to pinch run for him, and even if 1/3 times it was someone who might have significant speed increase (Castro/Stassi, Pujols/Thaiss, Upton would be candidates, Trout, Ohtani, Goodwin, Fletcher, LaStella, Simmons, and Rendon are plenty fast or you wouldn't want to take their bat out of the lineup).

 

 

Bottom of tenth gamed tied you want speed. What does every team going into playoffs add is a pinch runner. Walsh and Ward will not play give me a guy who has speed and can make a difference. 60 game sprint and I pinch run for LaStella. Player 29 and 30 only there for 15 games to Ward and Walsh would be useless.

46 minutes ago, Bronson said:

Get Ward and Walsh off of this 30 man. They will do nothing but hinder us. 

Give us Adell in this 60 game sprint or Adams who has speed.

51 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Adams could be an interesting option for a 5th outfielder/pinch-runner. Marsh and Adell, too, although they're not as fast. I really hope we see both this year.

This is not a marathon it's going to be a 60 game sprint have players who can contribute. Ward and Walsh will not play have no value off bench. Give me Adell

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

I forgot about Barria. Sandoval is in the rotation if they go with six.

They are going with 6

I feel Walsh does not make and as a surprise Reid Detmers makes 30 man team. I would also have Adell or even Adams on team. With new rule of starting man at second base would want fastest runner you have. Ward and Walsh add little if any value.

What % of players will choose not to play in 2020? I feel it will be a small percentage like under 3% or less.

21 minutes ago, RendZone said:

He doesn’t make the depth chart this season. He’s going to the farm. 

He could surprise and pitch this year.

46 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Guys I cant wait to see Detmers pitch next spring, cant wait to see him be a Sept call up next year! until than can wait to see how he devlops!

I feel he could be in rotation next year.

Where would you put Detmers on depth chart for halo starters?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

1 hour ago, joeybaseball said:

So whats the scoop on his signing, is there an update? I suppose they haven't planned on having him on the 60 man squad, since it looks like he hasn't signed.

He just signed

He has just signed and is on 60 man squad