Ohtani&Trout

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

still waiting . . . 

 Do you believe that teams can overvalue and overpay for a player. yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then your post implying that if I realized the Angels would be selling high on Skaggs means every other team would holds no water.

If the answer is no, then you prove my point that you don't believe teams can ever make a mistake.

Which is it?

Your logic sucks.

You got owned.

Just admit you took an "L"

Just now, Lou said:

name a trade for a pitcher comparable to Skaggs when a team overpaid

When I have time to look through trades and analyze which teams won/lost, I will. But that wasn't the point of your post. You basically said if I realized that the Angels would be selling high on Skaggs, so would every other team.

Which implies that you don't believe that teams can ever overpay for a player or make a dumb trade or signing. Am I right? After all, if fans see it, why wouldn't GMs?

It's ok, Lou. Just admit that you don't believe any team can ever overpay for a player or make a dumb trade or signing.

6 minutes ago, Lou said:

so, you're smart enough to realize that we'd be selling high on Skaggs but a major league organization isn't.

sounds about right.

I guess you're of the belief that teams never overpay for a player or make stupid trades or signings, huh?

I'd also assume that you agreed with every trade or signing the Angels ever made and you never questioned it at the time because they're the experts and you're not, right?

Just now, bloodbrother said:

 This is always fan speak with no real basis in reality. MLB FO's have analytics departments for a reason

In any case, Skaggs would likely net a solid return not because they'd be "selling high" but rather because he's a good, cheap, LHP with multiple yrs of control. Teams value that for a reason and the Angels certainly value that, which is why they aren't trading him nor should they

Yeah, and no team ever overpays or makes a stupid trade or signing, huh? Since you brought it up. What about the Padres who hired Dave Cameron and then gave Hosmer that huge contract that they likely regret already (-0.6 fWAR in his first season with them)?

Of course they could've gotten a much better return a month ago compared to now. He's already reverting back to his career norms lol

Just now, bloodbrother said:

It is indeed a wise decision for any contending team to remove a 3+ WAR SP from their rotation

That's not the point. The Angels could've likely sold high on him and fooled a team he's a lot better than he really is and gotten a really nice package of prospects in return.

A Skaggs who reverts closer to his career norms isn't the difference between competing and not competing.

It's far too late to sell high on Skaggs now. His ERA went from 2.6 to 3.6 in just a few weeks and it'll likely keep increasing.

32 minutes ago, eaterfan said:

If someone paid me $30 million a year to have dugout seats to every Angels game then I sure as hell wouldn't retire.

I don't think he's playing primarily because of the money (though clearly a factor). I think he's primarily in it to chase records. That clearly means a lot to him. He wants to pad his HR, RBI, hit, doubles, etc. etc. totals and finish ahead of as many players who are currently ahead of him as he can.  He can't do any of that if he's on the bench. 

I love in particular how he says he doesn't want to play to embarrass himself. But that's exactly what he's been doing for a while now and he knows it. He's a shell of what he used to be and is one of the worst players in the game. 

It seems pretty obvious from those quotes that he plans on playing until his contract expires. Hopefully the new manager benches his ass to speed up this process.

Bye

3 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

It’s not so much Skaggs himself it’s the fact we could’ve sold extremely high on someone who can only trend downward from here.

When you have guys who outperform expectations IMO you need to take advantage of that, especially when you have plenty of other holes to fill like we do.

Just like we missed that boat on Calhoun and Bedrosian we again did the same with Skaggs. 

*I know it’s not a popular take on this board*

Yes. They should've sold high. 

Just now, failos said:

1 game does not a pitcher make

True. But he had a 2.60 ERA, which is now up to 3.34. 

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Haha, ok dude

Enjoy the game m8.

There goes Skaggs' ERA. Any hope of getting a huge return for him during the offseason (if the Angels would try to trade him) might've just vanished.

3 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Let's put it this way.  There are 20 HOF managers with careers under 500

Scioscia is 63rd for career wins

There are only 8 managers in history with more wi nb s and better winning percentage 

I'm pretty sure that big Strad would have the highest winning % among managers this year if he managed the Red Sox (or close to it, anyway.)

Just now, Dick B Back said:

And?

Scioscia's bullpen management has been atrocious and he has made awful lineup and in-game decisions. This team has underperformed by a lot.

The Angels are 1 game under .500 with a +28 run differential.

The Mariners are 20 games over .500 with a +1 run differential.

The A's are 17 games over .500 with a +38 run differential.

Can't wait until Scioscia's contract expires so Ohtani can be freed.

4 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

Based on the player performances and injuries, we are lucky to have Sosh keeping these dudes around .500.

 

The Angels are a game under .500 despite having a +22 run differential.

So.....no.

Trout’s numbers are in absolute freefall.

7 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

The Mets would assuredly require more than just Adell.  Syndergaard has 3 full seasons left of control and has established himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy.

I would personally NOT trade Adell for him, because in terms of our timeline, we "aren't there yet."  I feel our timeline is coming, and I want to build towards that.  Trading Adell would be significantly mortgaging our future for the present, and I'd rather build a juggernaut.  

That said, if we were a strong team right now, in the thick of a race and pretty much a slam dunk playoff team?  Then yes, I would make the trade, because Syndergaard is a guy who absolutely transforms your playoff odds.  

There's no guarantee Adell will pan out. Plus the Angels can't afford to keep wasting Trout's prime.

Eh, a part of me wishes he just gets the surgery out of the way now. I would hate for him to come back in 2019 only to re-injure himself a la Richards, and then return in 2021. But hopefully this treatment will work and he'll be good to go.

1 for 1? Of course. Syndergaard is under club control for another 3 seasons after this season. He'd be no rental.