Ohtani&Trout

On 6/19/2018 at 8:30 PM, TroutField said:

Adell will not be traded. They were just saying the other day that he is a franchise player down the line. Marsh, Jones plus a couple more could be a decent package but the Mets would want more and Eppler isn’t willing to do that. 

 

I don't see why Adell would be untouchable for the right kind of player. As impressive as Adell has been,  he still has an unsightly 33/6 K/BB at High A and strikes out a lot (not saying this can't or won't improve, but he's hardly untouchable). An untouchable prospect to me is someone like Ohtani, Acuna, Vlad Guerrero Jr. etc. I don't think Adell is in that category.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23737157/mlb-need-know-shohei-ohtani-injury

https://www.halosheaven.com/2018/6/9/17445262/a-ray-of-sunshine-comes-from-the-rays-in-the-sho-time-saga

1 hour ago, Tank said:

i googled "things Ohtani&Trout claimed on an angels message board" but sadly, i couldn't find anything.

Stop embarrassing yourself, mate. The possibility of Ohtani returning as a hitter was posted everywhere, including ESPN.  Not my fault you're living under a rock.

20 minutes ago, Tank said:

so do you know anyone who has been able to do this while recovering from TJ surgery? or are you just talking out of your hat?

Read up on what the doctors say about Ohtani.

I don't expect Ohtani to pitch again until 2020; however, if he can return as a hitter this season and become the full-time DH next year, then all is not lost. He can still hit even if he's recovering from TJS.

8 minutes ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

So Ohtani's splitter has given him his blister and a TJ. I was worried about his elbow.  He really should throw that pitch if a batter keeps fouling off his pitches.

I think Ohtani would be well served to learn a changeup. Trevor Hoffman made a HOF career off that pitch.

I still contend that Ohtani can warm up in the top of the 8th, hit in the bottom of the 8th, and pitch in the top of the 9th. He should be a DH/closer. Closers only pitch about 80 innings a year. Remember, Mariano Rivera began his career as a starter.

There are plenty of pitchers who don't throw a splitter who have had TJ surgery.

Ohtani is far too good and valuable as a starter, which is why he will never become a bullpen pitcher. 

If he needs TJ surgery, he won't be back until 2020, most likely. F*ck it. Baseball is dead to me.

Just now, kj_maestro said:

Chris young f**king sucks

So does Maldonado.

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

I fail to see what K rate has to do with the statement 'he has a kind of high walk rate.' And either way, of the current top 20 qualified starters in K rate only 4 had a higher walk rate than Ohtani's 2.9 in his last year in Japan.

 An extreme strikeout pitcher will usually allow more walks than a pitcher who pitches to contact and lets his defense do the work. For a guy with a 11+ K/9, a 2.9 BB/9 isn't high. That's a K/BB ratio of nearly 4, which is excellent. As for the qualified starters, 20 pitchers is a lot to use. 

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

It's a middle of the pack rate in MLB, except that is against weaker Japanese hitters. 

But he's an extreme strikeout pitcher. A 2.9 BB/9 isn't high for a guy with a 11+ K/9

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

I would describe 2.9/9 as 'kind of high'

 Not for an extreme strikeout pitcher, it isn't.

Just now, bloodbrother said:

Sigh, another blister for Ohtani

That explains the complete lack of control. He should take as much time as he needs until he's 100%.

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I haven't looked too closely at his japanese stats but maybe he did have a similar problem there. A more competitive league will exploit weaknesses that lesser ones haven't. If I remember correctly he did have a somewhat high walk rate in japan.

2.6 BB/9 in 2015 and 2.9 BB/9 in 2016. That's definitely not high.

Maldonado's passed ball 1, Angels 0

2 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Maldonado's game-calling has left much to be desired of this season...

Even Rojas and Gubi are noticing it, especially Rojas. Notice how they're questioning the pitches being called.

3 hours ago, Dave Saltzer said:

I've asked it before, and I'll ask it again: If keeping Trout meant keeping Scioscia, would you do it?

No player is going to make $400 million decisions based on the manager they play for. That's ridiculous. 

Trout would never make this a requirement. Nor would any player.

5 minutes ago, eligrba4ever said:

King Felix looks like he might be good again. Sad.

Nope. His previous stuff is gone forever.

Another game that the Angels should've won gone. There's no way they'll be making the postseason with this bullpen.

Just go for the HR. F*ck the cycle.

1 minute ago, TroutField said:

It had been putrid all year and has added to the blowpen sucking

Yup. I've been saying this since the season started. Knowing which pitch to call and when matters a lot. 

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

Why did scioscia call for the 0-2 meat fastball? 

Maldonado loves those 0-2 fastballs. it's good that the announcers are noticing this shit.

Just now, JarsOfClay said:

Rojas and Gubi are criticizing Malo's pitch call.

Good.

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

Might as well say post-season hopes over!

With a pen!!!!!!

Yup. No team will get to the postseason with a terrible bullpen. The Angels have blown way too many games they should've won.

1 minute ago, IheartLA said:

Ohtani

vs LH - .148

vs RH - .325

Sample size. In Japan, he hit lefties better than righties.