Jeff Fletcher

Is this a trick question?

I think it’s gonna be Giolito on Monday and Sandoval on Tuesday. Nevin said they are going to keep Giolito on the 5th day and Ohtani on the 6th and everything else works around that.

Joyce has thrown 2 bullpen sessions last I heard. (Maybe 3 by now.) barring a setback he should definitely be back in August sometime.

It’s gonna be interesting to see what they do when they start having off days again in a couple weeks. I don’t think they’ll use 6 starters then, especially not now that they’re cracking the door to 4 days rest with Sandoval and Giolito.

I have no idea if it’s right or wrong. But it’s more interesting to me to watch them gamble by trying to win now than to gamble by trying to win in the future.

I doubt I will ever get that detailed of information. And for the record, it’s not that meaningful to discuss where prospects are ranked within one organization. Anyone who is not in the overall MLB top 100 is basically not worth discussing. Those guys are all lottery tickets.

Quero was no 84 The Angels would have gotten 2 Quero’s and 3 other middling prospects for Ohtani.

This is actually very good info. I was not aware Toronto had been so bad. So if the Angels can win 2 of 3 this weekend, they will essentially hold the tiebreakers against Toronto, Boston and New York.

@ten ocho recon scout Bingo I wrote a story about this last week. The reality is the Angels would have gotten something like two prospects in the 40-80 range and 3 lottery tickets. Nobody who is a major leaguer right now. That seems like nothing to casual fans but that would actually be a huge haul compared to other rentals. It certainly would have helped make the farm system look a little more shiny and get higher ratings, but it is a gamble to say it would have quickly led to more big league wins. Sooooooo many people who are saying the Angels missed some golden opportunity are vastly over rating what they could have gotten back.

Silseth Detmers Anderson

Neither of those rules apply

It’s worth noting that teams view prospects much differently now than even 10 years ago. MLB teams don’t want to pay established players because the young guys making the minimum are in many cases just as good. It was one of the big fights during the CBA negotiation. So teams aren’t going to give up really talented prospects easily.

Yes

Yes it is. By the way, I don’t think it matters so much if the Angels “make the playoffs” as it does how they look over the final 2 months. Because when he’s making a decision for 2024-2033, that really shouldn’t be made based on whether the 23 Angels win 87 or 90 games. I think if the Angels just play well down the stretch, and young guys like O’Hoppe, Neto, Detmers, Joyce, Bachman, Sandoval are providing hope, Ohtani could very well say the Angels have proven to him they are going in the right direction. Even if all of that adds up to 87 wins and missing the playoffs. That’s why I’m giving it 30 percent even though they probably only have a 15 percent chance of making the playoffs. I think Ohtani wants the Angels to give him a reason to stay, because I think he likes everything else.

99 percent

I basically agree with everything you said but I never say never, so I made it 3 percent. Could have made it 1 percent I guess.

30 percent if they keep him. 3 percent if they trade him.

Nothing on Adell or Bachman. Joyce is going to throw another bullpen in the next couple days.

How did you come up with those oddly specific dates?

Trout got the stitches out on Wednesday so now it’s just a matter of strength and pain tolerance. I imagine there will be more on him today. O’Hoppe able to do everything, but just the beginning stages of it. He’s definitely going to be back this season, but it still could be another 4 weeks. I’d be surprised if it’s more than that though. (I’ve also been writing about him a lot lately.)

He’s been taking BP and working out in the field. But he’s not ready to face full velo, but that could happen any day. Once it does he’d need to do that for 2-4 days and then be ready. (Also, I’ve been writing updates on him at the end of my notes stories pretty much every day, and will continue to do, so check those.)

Another thing that didn’t get specifically spelled out in the story is that teams now value prospects and young players much differently than even 10 years ago, so you can’t look at comps from the CC Sabathia or Mark Teixeira deals. There is a much better understanding now of the huge amount of excess value you get from productive 0-3 players.

I asked why players never get traded and come back. I was told 1. when a player gets traded, it’s usually because the team trading him either is bad or can’t afford him, both of which act against the team re-signing the player. Obviously, in the Angels case those may not be issues. 2. When a player has never played for another team, there are a lot of unknowns about going somewhere else. How would another team treat him? Other fans? Living in another city? Etc. So then once a guy gets traded, his previous team no longer has those advantages. The player is much more comfortable with changing teams because he already did it, without having to choose. (It’s worth noting that Chapman, who was the one guy everyone points to who did come back, had previously been traded already, from the Reds to the Yankees.) I realize many of you don’t want to believe this, but the Angels believe it. And they know the industry and know Ohtani better than any of us.

Well now you’re really going beyond the scope of what I thought we were talking about, which was how a major league pitching coach impacts major league pitchers. If you want to zoom all the way up to the entire player procurement and development process, yes there are tons of little variables that different teams do to be better at it. That’s what I wrote my 3 part series on last fall.

What I mean is that whoever is the top person in baseball operations does the same job, no matter if his title is PBO or GM or King of Baseball. Perry Minasian has the exact same job and exact same responsibilities as Andrew Friedman. Where it matters is when you’re trying to hire someone from another team. Brandon Gomes is the Dodgers “GM” (which means he’s really the Dodgers assistant GM). If the Angels wanted to hire him, the Dodgers could prevent it unless they’re giving him a promotion to PBO or something similar.