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If he's waiting to see if the team can win first... well, we may run out of time there. The answer to that question has been no, still is no, and remains no until proven otherwise. And come the point when it's proven otherwise, it'll be too late, as this is the end of his contract. We may lose, he will leave. We may win, and he may still leave. At the end of the day we're getting nothing back if he leaves. There's a ton that needs to change for this team to become a winner in one season. Is this going to be the "win for Ohtani" year? Are we really doing that? That's a huge roll of the dice.

They ready to let Ohtani go for nothing besides a QO comp pick? Trading him this offseason is the only smart thing to do.

2 minutes ago, Trendon said:

To answer your question, not it is not a foregone conclusion that 2023 is Ohtani's last season with the Angels.

Now, I'd say it's more likely than not, but a lot can change in the next 6-10 months.

If the Angels are contending, make the playoffs, and finalize a sale to a committed owner who will pay Ohtani whatever it takes, it's easy to see why he'd stay.

Something I think people always forget is that he picked the Angels in the first place. He clearly liked Anaheim and wanted to be here, otherwise, he wouldn't have signed here in the first place. So if the Angels start to win and spend money under new ownership, I think he stays.

He did pick the Angels indeed. Maybe his dream was to play for a winning org but mostly stay out of the spotlight. I think when you are just breaking into MLB it's good to be humble. But now that he's turned out to be a baseball phenomenon, I think his mindset has changed. He's made comments to the media that indicate he will not stay here if they don't show they can win. Well, I don't think he said those things when he was a rookie. Now he probably sees himself as too good to play for this team and he kinda has a point.

Open up MLB.com today, I see another headline about Ohtani's FA next year. "Should the Dodgers sign Judge now or wait for Ohtani next year?"

Gross. I can already see him wearing Dodger blue. It seems like a fairy tale dream to even think he'll re-sign here at this point.

It's upsetting to have an owner that doesn't care much about winning when you have a player this talented and this determined to win on your roster. Well, not for long. And this seems like the first offseason in a long time that they are actually going for major league talent to fill positions of need (Anderson, Urshela, Renfroe) instead of trying to scoot by with AAAA players and high risk high reward comeback projects (Harvey, Syndergaard)

Too little, too late.

1 minute ago, Lou said:

He never did for us either.

Oh my bad, you're right, over 3 seasons with the Angels he managed something like .225. I just remember him being so god awful I would've believed you if you said he hit .150. Point is the Angels make players want to just end their career a few years early.

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Well he’s never had a 5 ERA in a season, so you are in luck. 

Vernon Wells never hit under .200 with the Blue Jays.

1 minute ago, Pancake Bear said:

Then maybe you should go over to Dodgerwin.com since they're do everything right and we do nothing right.

Your comment makes little sense to me, frankly. What are you expecting? Sign players who are already amazing and have a long track record of success? Or are you just hate-rooting against the Angels?

This team hasn't even reached 82 wins in a season in 8 years. So your joke is kinda funny. Compared to the Dodgers, yes, the Angels do nothing right.

I would have expected FA money to go to offense. But they decided they like Tyler Anderson. So now it looks like either Suarez, Detmers, or Sandoval will be traded for a bat. I would've kept the young pitching.

2 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

What I like:

- 173 IP averaged the last two seasons would be by far the most on the Angels.
- The Angels wanted him last year and he was great.
- The Dodgers demonstrated he is maybe better than his career numbers suggest. His ERA is probably not going to stay sub-3.00, but if he even reverts to his FIP at 160(+) innings, that's a win.
- The Dodgers wanted him back. Whenever the best team in baseball run by one of the smartest guys in baseball wants a guy, there is a good reason for it.
- $13.3m aav is very reasonable.

What I'm not crazy about:
- 3 years is more than I would've liked, but it probably was necessary to get him. Reality is, good pitchers(/players) want to win, so unless you overpay they'll go elsewhere.
- I thought the QO would end our interest in him, so that's a bit weird that Minasian was pursuing both Anderson and Martin Perez (also with a QO). On the bright side, maybe that means we're planning to spend some money this offseason if they're willing to sacrifice a high pick on a $13m pitcher.
- Four lefties. Can't imagine we're getting rid of Sandoval, and Detmers seems like he's on his way to be a really good starter, so I can only assume Suarez is being shopped. Either that or Shohei made it known that he wants to be the only RHP in the rotation.
- Will his pitch-to-contact style be as effective in Anaheim as it was for LA? Fangraphs Def. WAR has LA at #6 in 2022, and Angels at #21.

People bashing Anderson seem to think they're smarter than Andrew Friedman. Bold take, imo.

The Dodgers make their players better, the Angels don't. He will only reach those innings if he doesn't get lit up. I don't wanna see a guy with a 5 ERA throwing too many innings.

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

It’s entirely possible he puts up a couple of seasons under 4 ERA which means he earned his $13 million on the open market. 

Which is exactly the problem. The open market is incredibly overvalued. Understandable since there's limited options every offseason and a lot of clubs with pitching needs BUT. Here this club goes again not even trying to develop their core pitchers and just going with a "proven" yet mediocre option and we have no clue what we're gonna get from this guy.

2 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

It's annoying because it's one of those straddle the fence type of moves where you're not committing to top end talent and if the guy sucks you're stuck trying playing him for 2 extra years or finding a way to get rid of him (exactly like Cozart)

This exactly. This is what I was trying to get at in my last comment. Amen to this.

8 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I don't know if it will or won't, but for whatever weird reason Cozart popped into my head when I saw this, too.

3/39 is unique contract, it's like a Halos special. It's the type of contract that just screams mediocrity. Don't pay an extra 7 million per season for $20 million AAV to get a pitcher who is actually good. Instead just give a mediocre 13 million to some middle of the pack pitcher and say you tried.

Same deal Cozart signed. This is going to be just as bad of a signing.

Every time the Angels win mostly because of Ohtani and also thinking about how special he really is just makes it even more of a bummer that this team stinks.

Ohtani will definitely not get traded before the deadline. He is right up there in WAR with Judge and has the MVP vote from a lot of voters currently because he hasn't skipped much of a beat this season doing it from both sides. Offensively yeah a little bit, but his pitching is incredible. So potentially two AL MVP in a row if things play out the same rest of the way - Ohtani's trade value is so absolutely nuts at the moment that no team would really be smart to put together a good enough package for him. They only get one season+ of Ohtani.

2023 is a BIG year for this club. Could potentially miss the playoffs and also let Ohtani walk away for nothing besides a compensation pick because he rejects the QO.

Will they, in one winter, develop the belief that they can be a great team? In one winter, fix their collective lousy attitude? In one winter, have someone actually step up and be a real leader of this team?

Doubt it.

Maybe they offer him a solid extension this offseason before he gets super expensive?

Trading Trout would be insane. I can't believe fans mention it so often. He's still the best player in baseball and has been the face of the franchise and MLB for the past decade. We still have him locked up for almost another decade and that's a lot of time for this team to potentially have a window of opportunity or two to contend. Wishful thinking? Okay fine. I still don't want to trade the best player in baseball because I love watching him play and he means so much to this team.

Sandoval? Untouchable, at least to this team. Starting pitching is STILL a weak point for us and he's inexpensive top of the rotation material for us for a couple more years.

Ohtani you can make a great argument for trading, but again we're talking about a new MLB icon here and trading him would tilt A LOT of fans. You'd better make sure the return is AMAZING and not just a few Jo Adell's.

Syngergaard yeah send it.

They should focus on fixing their attitude and losing culture more than trading any of these players.

Just came here to say that this team deserves to lose every single game that whoever the manager is puts Villar and his terribly low OBP in the leadoff spot.