TempeAngel

I don't think Kiner-Falefa is the answer. Perry can do better.

I think Perry already went after someone who can play 1B. Gio Urshela will most likely get the starts at 1B Jared Walsh won't this year. Perry has already said Urshela willl play multiple positions and he said 1B is a natural spot for him. How many games he plays at 1B will depend on which Walsh the Angels have in 2023. The 2021 version is what we are all hoping for, but Urshela will still get PA's against LHP's. The 2022 version of Walsh, .220/.274/.387/.660 versus RHP's, means Urshela is our everyday 1B and Walsh is on the bench or in SLC or with another team.

He will get two years probably

Yeah, that has been my feeling until now. But I'm beginning to think we need to upgrade now and make a run this year. Dansby can be that guy. If Neto develops into the player they think he can be there will be a place at SS/2B next to Dansby in 2025.

What is your answer at SS?

What is your answer at SS?

I like his offense. He's had three straight nice years from age 26. He's only 28 and he's getting better. He's one of the best defensive SS's in baseball. Gold Glover. And he's a grinder. Led MLB in games played the last two years. He's younger and less expensive than the other 3 FA SS's. What is your answer at SS?

I'm beginning to think the Angels should make a hard run at Dansby Swanson.

I don't get why some guys think Andrus is the answer at SS. He's slated for 2/20. Spend 5 minutes looking at his numbers and you can see it would be a mistake.

What does that even mean? It definitely wasn't an answer.

You want to use 2022 against Fletcher but discount it when discussing Walsh? Really?

I agree that we can upgrade at SS. Andrus is not that guy. He's Fletcher at this point of his career, a low BB and low OBP player. Upgrade. Don't pay $10 M for what you already have (FanGraphs 2/20). There is no value in that. I don't think Perry will sign Andrus.

Jeff, as I mentioned yesterday after part 1, great reporting! I definitely see things began to turn around with Eppler. It's often the second guy in who reaps the rewards so I hope Minasian stays the course. @Jeff Fletcher noticeably absent from the article is any mention of or quotes from Mike Scioscia. Did he decline to comment? What was the thought process for not including him?

Agree 100%. And he's not going anywhere. He has four more years of control, is scheduled to make $2.8 M next year, had a great season last year and is only getting better. Good teams build on guys like Sandoval they don't swap them out for a FA that will cost 3/$50 M. Sure, go after Bassit, but not at the expense of Sandoval. I don't think Minasian would ever do something like that.

Devenski had Tommy John surgery in June 2021 so the timing could be right for him to look like he did before the elbow issues.

Both of those plans would bring them over the luxury tax cap and I don't see that happening. I do agree we should keep Sandoval. It would be foolish to trade him. He's developing into a front of the rotation pitcher and is under control for four more years.

Nice upgrade. They are stacked. Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez, Abreu, Tucker, Pena,

3/50 is being reported by Jim Bowden

Great reporting by Jeff Fletcher. Arte Moreno gets the biggest piece of the blame pie. Good riddance Arte.

Agreed regarding the system James created here. Moving off the Abreu vs. Gwynn comparison which wasn't the original purpose of the thread, do you think Abreu should be in the hall of fame? I saw an interview on MLB Now this week with a writer who is newly appointed to vote for the HOF - you need to be in the BBWAA for 10 years I believe. There seems to be a trend of inclusion with the younger writers. It will be interesting to see what that looks like. For me, Bobby Abreu is not a Hall of Famer.

They are but if you drop to 113 triples Tim Raines joins the party.

I agree to a certain extent. And he says at the very top this is a predictor of whether or not they will be elected not who is better. The one thing I like is the dependence on being the best in the league not just being above average over a period of time. For example, Abreu was a league leader only twice in his career. Once for doubles and once for triples. That doesn't seem Hall of Fame worthy to me.

Well, Kenny Lofton and Lou Brock are the only two players in the history of baseball who had 600 stolen bases and 115 triples...

The premise of this thread was not Bobby Abreu versus Tony Gwynn. The question asked was is Bobby Abreu Hall of Fame worthy?

Hall of Fame Stats These are metrics designed by Bill James to measure how likely a player is to get into the HOF, and not necessarily how good they were. Used with similarity scores, you can get a good idea of the player's chance of getting into the Hall of Fame. Black-Ink Test All-Time and Active Leaders Named so because league-leading numbers are traditionally represented with Boldfacetype. The definition for the test that is being used here was written in Bill James's The Politics of Glory, p. 65-67. The essential point is to measure how often a player led the league in a variety of "important" stats. This method penalizes more recent players, because they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must lead the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts Note that Hall of Famers have a wide variety of values for the Black Ink Test, and the method is unforgiving of positional differences, but it is a neat little metric. Gray-Ink Test All-Time and Active Leaders Essentially the same as the Black-Ink above, but it counts appearances in the top ten of the league. For each appearance the values are below. As with the Black Ink, this method penalizes more recent players because they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must be in the top 10 in the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts