Kevin

How do we know Zimmerman even had the opportunity to identify himself? According to Zimmerman, so take it for what it is worth, as he was returning to his car, Martin approached from his left rear and confronted him and punched him. 

If true, and no one can prove its not, kinda hard to identify yourself when you're being beaten up.

Thats the thing about being on a path off the road. Not having fences to mark off territory is normal lots of places outside of California.

I agree with this but I also ask, is it out of the ordinary that someone might find this suspicious and want to call the police? Especially is a neighborhood that has had recent crimes? 

Just curious, at what point did GZ overstep his bounds? Does anyone have a problem with him calling the police? Obviously getting out of the car set things in motion but there is dispute about whether he headed back to his car or if he followed Martin the entire time. 

Let's also remember that it was where martin was, according to gz, that made him suspicious. According to him, he was not using the sidewalk or street but going behind town homes. I'm sorry but if true, that should make anyone suspicious. So when bbmom say he was just walking on the street, well that might or might not be true.

Forget the pulitzer. I'm anxiously awaiting the TV movie premiere on BET. Lou can play Zimmerman since he's already an a-hole. 

And one other thing Geoff, we know we can't entirely trust the media reports of what happened. Just look at how NBC edited the 911 phone call when it came to describing what race Martin was.

That's why this thing is so dumb. No one really knows what happened.

Your statement to red that, "You stated that he should have listened to police when he was told "We don't need you to do that" referring to him following Martin" is incorrect.  "We don't need you to do that" is what the dispatcher said. 

 

 

What red said was, "If Zimmerman had listened to the police, who told him to stay away, none of this would have happened."  

 

 

The misrepresentation/misquoting of this part of the conversation has truly been breathtaking.  I've seen more news reports positioning it the way red did and it's just stunning.  

 

 

There are more than enough reasons to be upset with what GZ did and the feeling that he did not get what was coming to him without making up or changing the facts of the case.

Ah got it. Did not mean to misinterpret what he was saying. My apologies to red. Having said that, there are still two conflicting stories then. Was GZ continuing to follow Martin or had he turned back to his car when Martin confronted him? One can argue that he eventually listened to the instructions of the dispatcher but did it too late therefore prompting Martin to confront him. Or he ignored the dispatcher and continued to follow him. 

You apparently didn't follow the trial or read up on it

I actually did read and follow up on the trial. You stated that he should have listened to police when he was told "We don't need you to do that" referring to him following Martin. Only problem with that, police did not tell him that, the dispatcher did. After being told that, his response was "Ok."  After finishing the phone conversation about where he would meet the police, Zimmerman claims he was heading back to his car after seeing which direction Martin had headed and to find an address when Martin appeared and the altercation began.

The prosecution claims he ignored the dispatchers instruction not to follow Martin and continued to do so. Then the altercation began.

So what really happened? No one but Zimmerman and Martin knows. 

And you stated Zimmerman was just looking for a confrontation. Well why did he call the police in the first place? Such a bad guy like Zimmerman would have just taken care of the situation himself, right?

The fact is a number of break ins and burglaries and occurred in the community and Zimmerman claims he thought it was strange that someone he didn't recognize (not someone he thought didn't belong in the neighborhood, sorry BBmom) was causally strolling in behind the town homes while it was raining and not using the sidewalk or street. He didn't seem like he was in a hurry to get out of the rain. He felt like he was acting  suspicious. Those are the basic facts.

I'm just hoping Spike Lee gets Zimmerman's address right when he tweets it.

Oh and the rest of the AW detectives.

If Zimmerman had listened to the police, who told him to stay away, none of this would have happened. Hard to believe a man carrying a gun, looking for a confrontation, ends up killing someone and gets off. Then again, it's Florida.

No one knows exactly what happened or what these two individuals were going through when this incident happened except Martin, Zimmerman, and apparently red321.

No mt said cops suck. LT said that was a bad attitude meaning not all cops suck. Don't distort that.

The other video you posted halofan85 was discussed on the old board and was roundly condemned. Having said that, that incident and video have nothing to with this incident.

I guess we shouldn't have retired the sarcasm sign.

How much more trolling can one guy do?

 

Lackey won game 7? No, he pitched 5 innings before getting his ass bailed out by the bullpen. The Angels won the World Series in game 6, game 7 was a formality.

 

After that Lackey was a temperamental little bitch throughout is career as an Angel. Constantly calling out his defense for not making gold glove plays on every hit into the gap he gave up. He had only one standout season in 2007, the rest were somewhat forgettable, particularly his last season with the Angels where he was cussing out everyone from his fielders to the grounds crew.

 

Maybe you guys forget his last playoff appearance for the Angels? Screaming at Scioscia for being pulled after giving up 3 runs and loading the bases for the Yankees in the 6th inning showing no control over his pitches or emotions. Weaver, the Angels true ace came in on 2 days rest and pitched an inning to shut down the Yanks and get them to game 6.

 

He landed in the perfect place for his attitude, the Boston Red Sox, the organization of whiney bitches. I hope the Angels wipe their cleats on him today. A 4th inning meltdown where he shows his colors again, screaming at his defense and the manager when he pulls the plug would be perfect.

 

Screw Lacknuts.

I'm no Lackey fan after his comments about the fans but your memory is a bit distorted. Lackey wasn't bitching at Sosh after giving up 3 runs and trying to stay in the game. Lackey was cruising in that game. He got into trouble by loading the bases but had two outs . Mike came out and Lackey wanted to finish off the inning by saying "Sosh, I got this." Sosh took him out to have Darren Oliver face Tex. Oliver had been cruising in the playoffs so wasn't a dumb move. First pitch Tex saw, three run double and the beginning of a 6 run 7th until the Angels tied it up and got the lead in the next inning. Eventually won game 5. It actually was a really great game Lackey pitched.

Gods and Generals imo was awful. Didn't realy follow the book at all and killed any chance they had of making the third and final movie.

I think I've mentioned it here before, and this thread makes me want mention it again:  DR is the great-great grandson of Gen. George E. Pickett.  (I think I have the count of the 'greats' counted correctly...never taken the time to do the correct counting).

 

He was a crazy SOB, appearantly.  He didn't want anything to do with 'his' charge and was angry about it to his dying day according to legend.

 

Pickett had a pretty remarkable life and was involved with some interesting military operations.  He would go on to sell insurance after the Civil War.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pickett

John S Mosby created a story that said after the war there was an encounter between Lee and Pickett. Mosby said that Pickett was very cold towards Lee and when asked later why, Pickett's response was "That old man had my division destroyed at Gettysburg." Mosby then replied "Well it made you immortal." None of this conversation actually took place.

When asked why Pickett's charge failed, Pickett responded that "The Yankees probably had something to do with it."

I do agree with mt though. It's black and white when it comes to conception and when life starts. But the argument has been going on for awhile and will probably continue to.

I just brought up the heartbeat because it's pointless to bring up if life starts at conception. Women aren't aware they are pregnant at that point. By the time they do, the pregnancy has progressed to the point where a life has started. I just use the heartbeat as an example of that.

Very cool. Yeah they've been trying to restore the battlefield to it's original 1863 look to the best of their ability. If it's been awhile definitely go back and see how much it's changed. Hit up some of the battlefields in Virgina if you can.

You can debate if life starts at conception. The tricky part is most women don't know they are pregnant till several weeks after conception. By then life has progressed developed relatively fast. I'll have to look up when the heart starts beating.

I went last October because I wanted to avoid the crowds and it would be cheaper. Wish I would have just gone now. Been following it on facebook. About two hours ago they had thousands of people walk the fields of Pickett's charge up at precisely the same time cooperates did it 150 years ago. Have you ever been Tank? If not, go. A place you instantly fall in love with. Take stick with you. I know some good bed and breakfasts.

Scott, would you have us send in troops to Syria? Yes or no?

Don't worry, Jamie Foxx is glad he can kill white people so he can take care of Paula. 

Can't remember how much coverage his SNL joke got.

Arrested this morning.

I wonder what the Van Buren gang thinks about this.