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No.. again, please read the posts before attacking them. I see him as overrated based on the expected salary. IF he could be had for closer to 10 mil than 20 i would be fine with it.. the risk would be worth it.. but at 20 you better get something that is a guarantee, which he is not.

The very crux of my problem with him is that we have no friggin clue if we will be a 3.5 WAR pitcher or better or worse.. there is no track record at the ML level to support that assumption. I've read both positive and not so glowing reviews on him.. enough to suggest that assuming you will get what you hope to get is probably a best case scenario, and the worst case could be a lot worse. Is he "probably" the best out there... yes, i guess so... but that doesnt always make it a great signing. Some of you deal in too many absolutes... this is not one, no matter how hard you want it to be. Again, i have never said i think he will suck, or be a bad pitcher.. only that i think there is reason to believe he could far under perform what he will get paid.. with our roster, can we really afford that? consider for a moment what it would do to this team is he is more of a #4 or 5, than the #2 you all paint him to be?

...or may be we all see what we want to see.. as i implied in the post itself.

As we all know im not high on him.. not because i think he will be terrible but because i think he will be drastically over payed for the production. So... that having been said i find the wording of this assessment a bit bothering... the implication that he would be a "successful" major league pitcher does not imply ace, star, or what does that even mean? If he truly thought he was going to be a large success i would have expected different wording... maybe its just me but to me i dont find this a ringing endorsement. Again it isnt that i think he will be bad or anything, just not worth the 20 mil he will probably get paid, or even close.

simple fix, trade Trout for whoever the #1 farm is... like all of them, lol

i love the frontrunner Yankees bit.. last week they arent even in it... its all about timing, lol

I am curious what you base that on though as everything ive read from multiple sources project him to be about a 3.5 ERA guy at most... ive not see anything suggesting he would be better than that. Assuming that would be accurate that puts him a close and very solid 3 behind Wilson and Weaver in that regard, but still #3.

im sorry but i can agree... better than Weaver? if he ended up better than Wilson i would be happily surprised, the projections suggest there is little reason to beleive he would be #1 on our staff other than hope and wishful thinking

yeah not gonna happen... now that the Yankees have that nice extra 20 mil he goes there.. book it... but hey its good for baseball right? /puke

well said... this in spades

Noone is questioning this... but i find the timings all a bit too convenient is all... you can agree or not, but i think you give them too much credit for being better people than they are... i could be wrong, but then again maybe im not, who knows

i'd like to believe that.. but these are the same men that turned a blind eye for 20 years.. hard to give them credit for being upstanding human beings now

Again im not defending ARod at all... only that the timing is absurd. and making an example of someone that has fallen from productivity doesnt send a message.. at least not a good one.. wanna impress me make an example out of Cabrera if he got popped for example... but we all know that aint happening

I hate that we have let so many guys just walk recently or dealt them for nothing that would be very useful right now had we kept them... Haren, Santana, Williams to name a few None of them aces but would look better in the middle of the rotation that a lot of the names we are throwing around. I cant say i understand some of those decisions on a team that was pitching strapped.. isn't like any better deals were found or available.

The one thing i find most troubling is that all this is coming down just as he no longer became useful... anyone think this happens about 5 years ago if hes still putting up numbers? i dont.

i admit some surprise at not seeing SEA on the list.. getting him is the only way all the other moves they made make any sense unless they are planning wholesale trades. Unless they already have something on the table considering their ties to Japan... Im on record as saying i think he ends up in Sea... ill stand by it till he signs i guess but the situation is evolving for sure.

It wasnt really at anyone.. just the post about this guys life, or this guys dui.. all get a little sanctimonious .. i know some things are sensitive, but i suggest people hold these men to the same standards they hold themselves

Then come at me with those points and not the personal shit, im fine with everything you just wrote here... but opening a post with accusing me of assuming some inside knowledge is not what you just wrote here, nuff said As far as the points here i dont disagree with any of them, save for maybe i think they are helping the Yanks a bit more than they would say the Royals or even us in a similar place as the league most valuable franchise. I could acre less what happens to ARod.. he used, he liad, he absolutely did bring this on himself. But the league bailing out the Yankees at the time they need it the most, and once ARod is no longer living up to hat contract, is too convenient for me to assume coincidence. Perhaps im a bit of a conspiracy theorist.. or perhaps i just dont believe in coincidence.. but the timing of this and the parties involved are all a little too suspect

lol... how does stating something as an opinion pretend to have insight? i never claimed any special knowledge.. i virtually always post things as my opinion and why i feel the way i do. I guess it makes it easier to be a jerk if you project onto others your own actions. Disagree with me.. fine, im totally cool with that, but being a jerk about it, nah. You wanna call me out for having a different opinion that's your right, no problem with it. but being an ass about it is going to get you called back The funny part is other people say the same things in threads that i do and you say nothing... selective aggression i guess, lol. you know what, nevermind.. i dont care enough to bother anymore.. feel free to skip my posts.. i tried to be nice about it.. im pretty much done with it. Different views are rapidly starting to get suppressed on this board... im sure if i had the same views as you id get nothing but respect... im kinda glad i dont. It would be nice if those people that "like" my posts would perhaps back me up a little rather than letting the opinion police run rampant though... but i do appreciated seeing the little bells

They are portraying themselves as completely ignorant on the steroid issue.. acting like they knew nothing and it was ll the evil players that did this to the game. In my opinion this is laughable. MLB and the writers had to know what was going on... there is simply no way they could have been 100 % ignorant on this long before congress got involved as far as im concerned... just no way. I cant prove it.. its just my opinion.. but when employers at virtually all level are keeping closer eyes on people they pay today and knowing that these teams have watched players for many years off the field. My high school gave players stuff to get on the field, pro sports have used roids and serious drugs since the 70s or sooner... its simply illogical to assume they knew nothing and let them throw these guys away without taking any responsibility fo it. Christ they encouraged it.. chicks dig the long ball etc... it saved the game in all likelyhood. and they expect us to think they knew absolutely nothing? really? I dont expect them to fall on the grande for these guys, but i do expect them to not pretend they were ignorant and hold themselves accountable or at least to the same standard they are asking the players to be held to.

This is the implication that i find troubling. No reason to stop it, every reason to build evidence and toss the guy aside when he becomes unproductive and not living up to the contract as the Yankees have precisely done in this case. I notice this didn't happen when he was still among the best 3B in the league. This smells worse then the roid issue itself as far as im concerned.

Nor can you back up your view with any certainty as neither one of us is in those rooms i'm fairly sure... but it certainly doesn't stop you from voicing your views in earnest and assuming to be in the right. How about just saving the attitude? ill happily do the same.

My argument here has nothing to do with whats being done to him... but how baseball is trying to claim the moral high ground and how the Yankees are trying to benefit from the situation.

true.. but dont thee decisions have to have some logic to them? again im not defending ARod.. im bashing baseball and ownership for trying to have the cake and eat it to. the actions against ARod are correct, but the benefits to the Yankees are out of line. Baseball is covering its own ass over the entirety of the roid issue... there is no way you or them could ever convince me that they were not fully aware of what was going on. if they were then they were incompetent as any businessman would know these things about those around him, especially the high profile ones they are putting up as the face of the franchise Baseball and the writers have planted a flag on he morale high ground and thrown the players under the bus rather than accepting even partial responsibility... so again either they were duplicitous or they were incompetent.. either way it say little about them. Yes, that is my opinion... No, i dont know it to be fact... but i know employers keep an eye oin such things in the real world.. baseball teams invest millions in these players, do they truly think we are fool enough to believe they knew nothing? ...and now.. they get to benefit from it all over again. where is the logic in this? if this makes any sense the the only word i can think of is naive

Why does every post you make start with sarcasm and insults... In any event the by product is significant in this case.. moreso than the crime in my opinion. I'm sure that means nothing to you but im still entitled to it so, whatever. What i do not and will not understand is the relief to the team. They benefited from his actions... i do not believe they were ignorant of them, and not they get everything they could possibly want from its outcome. The implication here is that the teams have no reason whatever to even try to stop the problem... they get all the benefits of the players performance when they break the rules, and get to throw them away when they get caught and benefit twice