Earnest Borgnine of 9

My post wasn't intended to offer insight. It was a direct counter response to the post I quoted saying Sciosca was just trying to push blame on the front office and get the heat off of him. That was the context of my comment, not some intention to proffer some sort of insight. It's a conversation. Not every post is going to provide some great insight - in fact - have any posts in this thread been particularly insightful? Not yours to be sure.

 

Why did he decide to say something like this now? I don't know, never claimed to. Do you have some sort of relevant or "insightful" information to share here other than jumping on me or should I expect more of the same? 

Lifetime, don't let him bait you into a multi-page discussion that never ends...

No...there is another.

I don't like Bourjos leading off. He Ks way to often and can't steal bases. Not what you want to see in a lead off guy.

He was actually starting to steal successfully prior to his injury.  He also gets on base.  Those are qualities you want to see in a lead off guy.

Troll Daddy is such a big fan that he doesn't know Bourjos is out

LOL.  That would seem to be the case.

Hilarious that people here now blame Scioscia for Santana. Apparently no one here remembers thinking Santana was a piece of shit. Am I the only one that remembers his ups and downs every other year. Gotta love misguided anger.

Exactly. And my point regarding Santana was people also said he had no display of emotion and so he didn't care about a bad outing. Of course he did. Not every expresses emotions the same.

Here's the problem Mr. Borgnine, the Angels aren't winning right now. And to me that's not funny.

First off, you don't read sarcastic irony well, do you?

Secondly, don't laugh, then. I'm not going to cry and belly whine about it. I am over that phase as it lasted for exactly the month of April.

Santana has a 2 ERA in 5 starts this season for Kansas City. Not so funny. 

 

As for Scioscia my position has been the same since the offseason. No playoffs means he should be dismissed. Tank's comment makes a lot of sense, if the players have tuned out Scioscia you have to get rid of him. And as for players and emotion, Vargas is intense on the mound and he is pitching well recently. I don't expect every player to be emotional but I do wonder if this team is playing at the right intensity. 

Hell, I think it's damn funny. The idea that you can't be a winner without flipping out every once in a while? Point made.

While the players and Dipoto are also to blame for yet another miserable start, Scioscia's game management is terrible and his voice is no longer heard in that clubhouse.

He needs to go. This team needs a players coach. Someone equipped with an advanced feel for coaching and statistical analysis (like Joe Maddon) in this modern age.

I've heard that some players on the team don't like Mike and his passive aggressive approach. I used to brush off stories I'd hear about former and current players re: Scioscia. Not anymore.

Scioscia continues to do less with much more. That's a telling sign that he's done and his players don't respond to him anymore. He went from a great leader of Angels teams to a constipated face of mediocrity the past four years.

I just don't see it. Help me to understand who replaces him? You can't just get all steamed and junk you POS car before thinking of another way to get to work. Let's take your points one by one:

Game management - so you are blaming Scioscia for an inability to make lemonade from lemons? Sure, some of his decisions have been wacky this season, but he doesn't have a lot of alternative when dealing with pitching or offense. There's no bench to speak of and Frieri is the lone healthy and reliable arm out of the bp.

His voice is not heard in the clubhouse - I think we need a player to fill Hunters shoes. The big guy can talk until he's blue in the face and it will never be the same coming from a peer. I'm also curious how you know his voice is being ignored. One indication that he's feared and listened to is the silence coming from players. Not one has spoken out of turn publicly. This is important.

Joe Maddon - ah, yes, the successful former coach argument. How are the Padres, Brewers, and Rays all doing this season? If they were the reason for scioscias ability to do less with more, then why can't they do more with less as the managers of those low payroll teams?

As for the former players who whined, there's a far greater number who have either praised Scioscia or made no disparaging remarks, whatsoever.

And finally, what would you have him do, as others have asked, to "punish" a player for screwing up? He can't bench anyone with the myriad injuries and suckage that permeate the system. There's literally nothing he can do.

There does not seem to be any leadership from the top. There isn't any accountability for ****ing up. There have been some, shall we say, questionable managerial decisions. Players just seem to go through the motions (of course, losing will do that).

 

Whatever Scioscia's message is, or was, may no longer be getting through, and may no longer be relevant to the construction of the team. This necessitates a change.

 

If you want to call Scioscia a scapegoat, fine, he's a scapegoat. He would not be the first one, and will not be the last.

 

How long does he get a pass because his team won a World Series eleven years ago?

The only way I see to punish a player who effsup is to bench him. Scioscia doesn't have a bench. Next idea?

And Bourjos, and Aybar, and Lucho, and.... really most of the players. Some don't show much emotion but that doesn't mean they aren't playing with heart or enthusiasm. 

I remember the same complaint about Santana when he was here. How's the season going for him? LMAO.

Bell, Napoli, Guillen, Rodney, I'm sure some others I've forgotten.  In isolation their comments could be dismissed as sour grapes but when everyone is saying basically the same thing, I'd say there's something to it. 

Wo, wo, wo...a handful of jokers who didn't get the playing time they wanted complain and you consider that ample evidence? And what say you to the silence emanating from the dozens of others who only praised him, even when they didnt get the playing time they wanted, players like Abreu or Wells? Yeah, sounds like a mountain of evidence.

Erstad has ZERO chance of managing this ballclub. I wouldn't mind a manager with no previous MLB experience like Ryne Sandberg (Unlikely as he will take over in Philly next season), Joey Cora or even the likes of Sandy Alomar Jr or Tony Pena Sr. (Former catchers seem to make good Managers), but I think an experienced manager is more ideal with this veteran roster. I personally wouldn't mind Ozzie Guillen. He brings the fire and passion (whether right or wrong) that could kickstart this team and will hold players accountable. He has experience, a.513 career win %, and a World Series title to go along with it. Regardless of who, a new voice is needed to guide this roster to its potential.

Stopped reading when you advocated Ozzie Guillen.

Scioscia is the FACE of our Angels.

He is the one to motivate our players and gain cohension.

He is the one ultimately responsible for pitching and hitting (thru his staff).

So he cannot manage either.

If you were a struggling pitcher or hitter looking to the dugout, what would you see first?

Scioscia's dour FACE glaring at you without expression.

This is what opposing teams see and that motivates them to turn the screws even tighter because they have a killer instinct brought to them in part my their coaches.

It is downright sad to look at him....................

Haha, I don't know why his stoic look bothers you so much. You don't have to have a tantrum like children on this board do all the time. It works for coaches like Belichick who have successful teams. You have no idea what drama goes on behind the scenes. There is no reason to bring it onto the field for all to see.

Scioscia playing Chris that entire 19 inning game not very smart 

Yeah, reminds me of the time he sent Escobar out for 6 full innings after his his shoulder injury.  That pretty much ended his career.  Unbelievable.

Maybe you should throw this thread into the MOD forum like you did for Lifetime.  Good old buddy system.  I started this thread with a legitimate topic.  Everyone but FC addressed it without personal attacks.  But that's OK, keep protecting the brotherhood, my man.

This is the FIRST quote that started the flame war....and guess who started it???

It's accurate.

I'm done mancini.  You have a good night now, editing during the late hours...

Which comments did I make that had NOTHING to do with baseball and were personal attacks?  There was one facetious remark and that was it.  Wow, late night power broker mod...

OK guys, stop the back and forth. It's making you both look silly. I'll delete any threads from now that don't pertain to the topic.

Then I'm sure you'll delete the comments made about me by FC, which had nothing to do with the topic.

I'm being attacked!!!!! Waaaaa!!!!

Contact the Mods!!!!

Next time make sure you're accurate when you accuse someone of poor reading comprehension.

 

Oh, I know... I was referring to the other post about banning me~  

That's a different thread entirely.  It may be warranted in that thread.

Well, his post Anaheim stats aren't that good.  So goes most baseball players' careers (Pujols, Hamilton, anyone?).

Though it's easier being a dyck and putting this up instead.... When I disagree....Just go easy. Quite a few of us have changed up the Name Game since the move. I've even seen posts wondering if I came over.... shhhhhh...Don't tell anyone~

 

 

Ah, you edited it.  I didn't say that because you disagreed.  Anyway, it was a compliment.  I know that senility can take it's toll.

I don't normally try to prove false negatives.