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Thursday Night Football Detroit @ Green Bay Sunday's games Atlanta @ Jacksonville Miami @ Buffalo Denver @ Chicago Baltimore @ Cleveland Cincinnati @ Tennessee LA Rams @ Indianapolis Tampa Bay @ New Orleans Washington @ Philadelphia Minnesota @ Carolina Pittsburgh @ Houston Las Vegas @ LA Chargers New England @ Dallas Arizona @ San Francisco Kansas City @ NY Jets Monday Night Football Seattle @ NY Giants

Bump. Need some participation in the poll so that we have more than 3 people determining the choice if possible. I will give everyone til game time Thursday before closing the vote.

Sunday's games Tennessee @ Cleveland Atlanta @ Detroit New Orleans @ Green Bay Denver @ Miami Los Angeles @ Minnesota New England @ New York Jets Buffalo @ Washington Houston @ Jacksonville Indianapolis @ Baltimore Carolina @ Seattle Chicago @ Kansas City Dallas @ Arizona Pittsburgh @ Las Vegas Monday Night Football Philadelphia @ Tampa Bay Los Angeles @ Cincinnati

AngeLifer coming in strong too!

13 is a pretty impressive week, props to AF84.

Here's YTD through the first 2 weeks also. Member YTD Angelfan1984 23 AngeLifer 23 T.G. 21 Swordsman78 21 Halo In Chicago 21 Black Beard 21 Spirit 20 tdawg87 20 Ace-Of-Diamonds 20 Crampknees 20 Chuckster70 19 aznhockeyguy 19 Tank 19 SCHaloFan 18 ELEVEN 18 Katie 18 Brian Ilten 18 halodground 17 jangel7 17 Slegnaac 16 Angel Oracle 15 AngelStew43 15 mjirg 15 Catwhoshatinthehat 9 HaloOnFire 9 JTone2 8 Brian 7 halonatic 7 Kjones 6 BTH 5 Retire_Salmons15 4

Member Week 2 Angelfan1984 13 T.G. 12 Spirit 12 AngeLifer 11 SCHaloFan 11 Swordsman78 10 Halo In Chicago 10 Black Beard 10 tdawg87 10 Ace-Of-Diamonds 10 ELEVEN 10 Katie 10 halodground 10 Crampknees 9 Chuckster70 9 aznhockeyguy 9 Tank 9 Brian Ilten 9 Angel Oracle 9 jangel7 8 Slegnaac 8 AngelStew43 8 mjirg 7 Catwhoshatinthehat 0 HaloOnFire 0 JTone2 0 Brian 0 halonatic 0 Kjones 0 BTH 0 Retire_Salmons15 0

I'll be posting the results and the weekly thread this year. Is everyone in favor of adding the Monday Night spread back in? No penalty if you get it wrong, 2 bonus points if you get it right? We can start with Week 4. Please vote. Also, check your points. It would be pretty easy to miss one. Member Week 1 AngeLifer 12 Swordsman78 11 Halo In Chicago 11 Crampknees 11 Black Beard 11 Chuckster70 10 Angelfan1984 10 tdawg87 10 aznhockeyguy 10 Tank 10 Ace-Of-Diamonds 10 T.G. 9 Brian Ilten 9 Catwhoshatinthehat 9 HaloOnFire 9 jangel7 9 JTone2 8 Spirit 8 ELEVEN 8 Slegnaac 8 Katie 8 mjirg 8 Brian 7 halodground 7 SCHaloFan 7 AngelStew43 7 halonatic 7 Kjones 6 Angel Oracle 6 BTH 5 Retire_Salmons15 4

Thursday Night Football New York @ San Francisco

Bump. Are we doing this week?

Thursday, Sep. 14 Vikings @ Eagles Sunday, Sept. 17 Chargers @ Titans Sunday, Sept. 17 Ravens @ Bengals Sunday, Sept. 17 Raiders @ Bills Sunday, Sept 17 Colts @ Texans Sunday, Sept. 17 Packers @ Falcons Sunday, Sept. 17 Seahawks @ Lions Sunday, Sept. 17 Bears @ Buccaneers Sunday, Sept. 17 Chiefs @ Jaguars Sunday, Sept. 17 Giants @ Cardinals Sunday, Sept. 17 49ers @ Rams Sunday, Sept. 17 Commanders @ Broncos Sunday, Sept. 17 Jets @ Cowboys Sunday, Sept. 17 Dolphins @ Patriots Monday, Sept. 18 Saints @ Panthers Monday, Sept. 18 Browns @ Steelers

Detroit Lions at Kansas City Chiefs (-5) Carolina Panthers at Atlanta Falcons (-3.5) Cincinnati Bengals (-2.5) at Cleveland Browns Jacksonville Jaguars (-5) at Indianapolis Colts Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Minnesota Vikings (-6) Tennessee Titans at New Orleans Saints (-3) San Francisco 49ers (-2.5) at Pittsburgh Steelers Arizona Cardinals at Washington Commanders (-7) Houston Texans at Baltimore Ravens (-10) Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears (-1) Las Vegas Raiders at Denver Broncos (-3.5) Philadelphia Eagles (-4) at New England Patriots Miami Dolphins @ Los Angeles Chargers (-3) Los Angeles Rams at Seattle Seahawks (-5) Dallas Cowboys (-3.5) at New York Giants Buffalo Bills (-2.5) at New York Jets

Most of the government and emergency management are haole, so it’s far more on them than any natives that the fire wasn’t handled well. Not to mention that they use the same practices here as anywhere else in the US for fire fighting and emergency response. But based on how fierce and fast the fire was, there would have been loss of life and massive loss of structure regardless of the response. A fire team had to leave their engine and escape in a UTV. Winds were clocked at 85 mph. So although there were mistakes and some incompetence, not much would have changed had everything been handled perfectly. Anyone who had plans in the next 6 months in West Maui should probably reconsider. The Kihei and Wailea areas further south should be fine soon, there’s plenty of fun places down there.

Wtf. Brandon was such a fun dude and so entertaining on the forums. So sad.

Kimo’s is definitely gone. That whole strip is. A few burnt pieces of framing is pretty much all that is left from the outlets all the way down to Lahaina Shores. Then much more burned further south, it just hopped around a bit more from Lahaina Shores down. Other than people’s homes, the Banyan Tree is the saddest to me. Most of the historic buildings will get rebuilt and look similar, but the Banyan Tree looks like it really burned pretty hard. I can’t find anywhere how resilient banyan trees are to fire. Despite all the tourists and the homeless people, that tree was super cool. Especially at sunset when all the birds came to roost. It’s a bummer. It’s still standing, some leaves in places, but it’s basically black. The Pioneer Inn, if anyone is familiar, is totally gone. Just ashes.

Lahaina is ashes. Hundreds and hundreds of structures gone, many historic. Harbor (including a good portion of the boats) and the banyan tree burned. Most of Front St. is literally ashes. Haven’t seen anything from Kaanapali yet, but most everything south of there within a 1/2 mile of the waterfront is gone. Homes, schools, grocery stores, offices, restaurants, tourist trap shops…… all gone. Damages will be in the billions. Rumors of bodies in the streets but I’ve yet to confirm. Tragedy for Hawaii.

I was just about to post Howie and Aybar. Both very solid guys who weren’t appreciated enough. I’d add Scot Shields to the list too. He was so much better than most people gave him credit for. Guys like him make the whole bullpen better.

Discussion is healthy, not argumentative. I don’t agree that they weren’t all in however. I think that was as “all in” as Perry was able to go, either due to budget constraints or availability of equitable return. I have no doubt that if he could’ve landed a Verlander or Scherzer in a way that made them better this year, he would have. He just didn’t have the prospect capital to do it, and what it would’ve taken from the 26 man roster didn’t position them better to succeed. From my viewpoint they didn’t really trade away the future with the moves they made (we aren’t talking about surefire all-stars that were traded, just the kind of talent we should have in our system continuously), I just don’t think those moves help with sustainable success AND they weren’t enough to push them ahead of the other teams in the race. It’s the combination that irks me.

I meant more from the perspective of where they were at the trade deadline. Injuries were a known factor at that point and they had to leapfrog a lot of better constructed, deeper teams. If Trout, Rendon, O’Hoppe, and others were healthy and productive, that certainly would have made me more hopeful and more willing to go for it.

Agree wholeheartedly with this part of your statement. I’m less confident that it is what is actually happening right now. Minasian has been placed in a pretty impossible position by an owner who doesn’t seem to get that he needs to fully commit to player development regardless of whether he has stars and a high payroll if sustainable success is the goal. He had to go all in and the team is likely worse in the long run because of it. Does giving Shohei $50 mil plus per year help with sustained success? That’s a difficult question to answer and I feel from a probability standpoint, it’s a better bet to go with no. I think Neto, O’Hoppe, Detmers, etc are nice pieces moving forward. But I don’t see anyone as untouchable, or at least they shouldn’t be. The GM needs to be free to make moves that improve the team’s success in a sustainable way, not a tantamount concern of “making the postseason” for one specific year. Particularly with a flawed team that has been further impaired by a ridiculous number of injuries and wasn’t positioned well to make a run to begin with.

I’m on the fence on resigning Ohtani. Short term it’s a no brainer but scares me longer term. Some of that is being gun shy from our recent long term deals, but so few actually work out well for any team, and there is double risk with Ohtani since you are paying him and counting on him to excel as a pitcher and hitter. I lean more toward the “tear the whole thing down” plan most of the time, but I don’t have a lot of confidence in the Angels to do that right, especially after missing out on the opportunity to reload with an Ohtani trade. Plus Trout probably never sees the postseason in that scenario, and almost certainly not as an elite player.

Anyone else remember that feeling, circa 2005, that the Angels had finally figured things out? A solid rotation, dominant bullpen, just enough offense, and a steady pipeline of talent from the minor league system seemed like a great way to be competitive, year in and year out. And it worked for a solid 6-7 years then totally went to shit. It’s really been 14 seasons of futility now (let’s just call 2014 an outlier), approaching the abyss of 1987-2001 for sucking and ineptitude. But likely more frustrating due to the presence of not one, but two generational talents for a significant chunk of the time. What did Bill Stoneman have that the following GMs lacked? Or is it just Arte Moreno? Can we get back to being a quality franchise? Is it just terrible luck? It’s tough to be a proud Angels fan. Again.

I’m just glad the announcers can stop talking about Estevez being perfect in save situations. Dude gives me heartburn every time he pitches and the announcers go gaga cause he didn’t have a blown save yet. It was very annoying. Dude’s FIP is meh but his WHIP is unacceptable for a late innings guy in my book. ERA+ says he’s better than my eye does. He’s been ok. They make him out to be 2002 Percy sometimes.

So many parts of Angelswin are inextricably linked to Lou’s humor, intelligence, and wit. Your presence is sorely missed. Sending peaceful thoughts and energy your way man.

Agree, one of best I’ve seen. Unfortunately a great deal of accuracy to it also