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Both Trump and Bernie would be terrible for the middle class. The only candidate that has given me a glimmer of hope of helping out the middle class is Cruz.
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$15 minimum wage is working out really well for Seattle so far...if you like fewer jobs and more people out of work:
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A realistic problem is that Wall Street - which is run by very clever people - finds a way to avoid the "Bernietax" and puts money off-shore.
Anyhow, I think singling out the free college idea doesn't really make a lot of sense. It is part of a more comprehensive approach that Bernie wants to take, just one aspect of his "newer deal."
You're right, it's that idea, the health care, anything else that adds to our ever growing national debt which the Bern has plenty of. The problem with creating these money pits is once they are created, they are here to stay. What we need is the reverse of everything our government has been doing the last few decades and cut spending, cut programs, and balance a ****ing budget. Shit we need to go much further than balancing a budget...we need a surplus for years in order to pay down the 19 trillion we are in the hole. If I ran my business the way the government runs this country I would've been on the streets years ago. BTW, I'm not blaming Dems, both parties have a spending problem, they just spend it in different ways, both of which are not the ways I believe the money should be spent.
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Just curious how many people are going to opening night vs. the Cubs. I'm for one am really curious to see how they play against the Cubs so I'll be there. Prices from the Angels look pretty reasonable in the presale today ($20+tm fees to get in):
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Market is on a hot streak! Ole!
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What exactly is that calculating? Also my point with those numbers was it doesn't mean as much to someone making over a million to have money taken away from them as it does to someone making in the low 6 figures or less.
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Actually, Denmark is becoming more like us
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/23/news/economy/denmark-inequality/
Its citizens enjoy an expansive social safety net, which includes free college and health care, as well as subsidized child care.
To pay for all these benefits, Danes are more heavily taxed than Americans. In Denmark, total tax revenues is 49% of the size of the economy, compared to 25.4% in the U.S., according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. Danes pay a top tax rate of 56%, compared to 39.6% in the U.S.
When it comes to wealth, the Top 10% are collecting more of it, though official statistics are a little misleading because they don't include pension savings, which are spread out more evenly among the population. What the data shows is that the upper crust controlled nearly 80% of the nation's net worth in 2013, up from 65% in 2000, according to the council.
In the U.S., the Top 10% controlled nearly 78% of the wealth in 2013, according to Edward Wolff, an economics professor at New York University.
While Sanders is trying to become the first social democrat in the White House, Denmark kicked its social democrats out of power in June. This may lead to cutbacks in the country's safety net. The country's new center-right leaders have already re-instituted a cut in social assistance for recent immigrants and they are looking to cap these benefits for everyone, Weise said. Instead, center-right officials have said they want to give more incentives to Danes to work.
No matter what rules are made the smart/wealthy people will always find away to get more and more money. "Wealth redistribution" has shown to only increase the gap between rich and poor while demolishing the middle class. What this country needs is policies that help the middle class.
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Could the Anaheim Ducks peddle a young defenceman for short-term forward depth?
I think Murray will get us the best deal. It's nice to be in a position of strength and be able to make a fair to an unfair deal in our favor, instead of HAVING to make a deal.
I love the part where we lost to the Blackhawks in the 2nd round...I do agree that we wouldn't move one of our young Dmen for a rental like Ladd.
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With the way the D is playing right now I can't imagine Stoner sniffing the lineup. He's going to be in Holzer's spot up in the press box. As much as I can't stand the bald man, gotta give him props on the current streak he's on. 3 pts back of the Kings now in the Pacific. Who thought that would happen? Next 4 games against Van, Cgy, Buf, and Edm before the Kings on the 28th. Could possibly see a change at the top after that game.
Anything less than 6 points is unacceptable and I'd really like all 8 points for those 4 games.
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I like how I haven't heard the follow up to this.
Sorry I worked from 6:45 AM until 7:45 PM tonight and didn't have the time in my day to check and see if this thread had started up again. The reason why it hurts the 50K-120K income bracket the most is because the increase in taxes affects them much more than people who make lots of money. If a family who makes around 100K (which btw, I believe is close to what Oregon's family unit makes since he said he makes 45K and his wife makes a little more) loses and extra 6K in Fed Income Tax, 2K in Payroll Tax, that 8K less in take home pay means a lot more to that person than the 100K less in take home pay for someone who makes 1M.
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Quack Quack Quack the Ducks are hot!
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I make about $45k a year working in a warehouse that didn't require any kind of degree. I work my ass off at this job like I have at any other job. My wife went to Oregon State and got her masters at Pepperdine. Maybe going out of state for her masters wasn't the most amazing idea, but now we have lots of school debt. I'm not complaining and we will eventually pay it off but right now she makes just a little more than me. So my wife who is incredibly bright and ambitious makes as much as me who didn't go to school. Meanwhile we have to hold off on buying a house until the school debt goes down quite a ways. I'm not wealthy, but I'm not poor. The money we make is decent for where we live. Two hard working people who have a long way to go to achieve their goals in the current system. Sorry if Sanders isn't scaring me off.
And I love how people act as if the parasites only reside in the lower class. How about the assholes who lay off thousands of workers them give themselves a $10 million bonus. Those aren't just criminals. Those are parasites and people who have the money to control politics. And who do they control? The conservative side who doesn't want to tax them. Sorry that I see them as being the bigger evil
You do realize Sanders policies are the worst for people making 50-120K which seems to be your exact situation?
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Sooooo...are we going to have to pay to keep our money in banks soon?
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Trump vs. Sanders is my nightmare because I think it's the only way Sanders has a chance.
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Here's another way of looking at the rationale behind higher tax rates for higher incomes. People with higher incomes benefit more from the system we live in, the way our economy is set up, so should give back more to supporting society and helping those who don't benefit as much.
It isn't so black-and-white as the standard libertarian rhetoric of "income tax is stealing from those who work hard." This is hopefully simplistic, imo. Plenty of people work hard but don't make a lot of money. Plenty of people who make a lot of money do so at the expense of others, even those that work for them and help them make money (e.g. the Walton family). In this case, the Walton's "invisible hand" is a slap in the face of millions of people. I don't have a problem with the government "forcing" the Walton family to pay more taxes to held redress the fact that they exploit their employees, because--as has been proven again and again--the market doesn't always correct itself and there are very clever people who find ways around it. Laissez-faire capitalism works for an every decreasing few, at the expense of an increasing many - in other words, it doesn't work.
Bernie's approach isn't perfect, but it is meant to address a moral wrong with a moral less-wrong. I see it as a kind of soft warfare - akin to fighting back aggressors with force. It isn't attacking or invading, it is fighting back the already hostile takeover. To quote Ice Cube in Higher Learning, "We're behind enemy lines, dog."
Anyhow, if nothing else--and whether or not he becomes president (which is unlikely)--I hope that Bernie succeeds in least one thing: getting the big money out of politics and returning the government to being by the people and for the people, rather than what it is now: a plutocracy in democratic drag.
They benefit more because they work harder and smarter.
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Me and my friends go to Minneapolis quite a bit. Sneaky Petes and Brothers are our go-to bars when down there. But a place like The Pint might be a little more appropriate of a place to grab a drink with your son. I wouldn't take my dad to Sneaky Petes that's for sure. There's also a nice sports bar right outside the right field exit/entrance way at Target Field but I forget what it's called. Target Field is a really nice ballpark btw.
Minneapolis is one of my favorite cities to visit, their downtown is nice and clean. Me and my girlfriend may make the trip down for this series but after recently blowing my load on NFCCG and SB tickets only to be heartbroken I may hold off.
Don't waste your time at Mall of America unless it's something you REALLY want to see.
Bad ass...I hope you were able to still sell them with your load all over them.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Everyone is biased, Stradling. It neither invalidates his perspective, nor does it prove it. But CNN Money thought it worthwhile to publish.
Not maybe, maybe not. Definitely not. Once again, thank god I didn't get my Econ degree from UMass.
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halobob, again, that number was based upon if the article was correct. Don't take the actual percentage so literally - IF the article is correct (and I admit that it is an if, but that's not the point of my statement that you took issue with) the vast majority of US citizens will benefit greatly. Infrastructure will be improved, jobs created, poverty reduced, median incomes for the middle class increased. I don't care whether that "vast majority" is 99.9% or 99% or 95% - regardless, it is the vast majority.
Ok that's better...too bad the article is incorrect.
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What do you consider rich? Also rich people earned their money no different than middle class earned their money, why should they pay more? But I honestly wonder what you consider rich in Southern California.
This is what makes it so hard to make tax brackets. What is rich in most parts of America is definitely not rich in NY, CHI, So Cal, SF. Especially when you factor in people in those 4 places are getting taxed even more on the state/local levels than many other parts of America.
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I don't like the single payer system because it promotes treating patients in the most cost effective way as possible rather than the best treatment possible. I also don't like the idea of not having a choice in what health care I can receive. I agree that the current system is flawed but what system in our government isn't flawed? Single payer would definitely have flaws as many have already pointed out. My only solution to the problem (and I have no idea if it would work) is that med schools have a training portion where the students have to work in hospitals for people that are on government insurance. That way if you want free care is there for those who need it and people who want to buy insurance plans that cover fully credential doctors would be able to buy a plan for what is theoretically better care.
Let me post some articles about Americans dying in the streets and in their homes, and even in the ER because they can't see a doctor and can't afford insurance
Or all of the people who get a minor injury and it turns into an infection because they can't get treatment. Or all of the homeless and sickly seniors digging through your garbage can.When you go to the ER they have to treat you and are not allowed to ask for your insurance info until you are being discharged.
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This is exactly why I haven't given a shit about politics until this election cycle, it's been nothing but the same old same old.
Sanders comes off as the first genuine good politician of my short life. He has consistently fought for equal rights for all since, like, the 70s. He truly believes what he says and will try like hell to get it done.
He hasn't fought for equal rights, he has fought for everyone being equal no matter how hard they work and produce for society.
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It would utterly transform our economy. They don't use the word "99.9%", but that would be the net result.
As for whether he is correct, that remains to be seen. I can't say for sure that he is right, but neither can you say he isn't.
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As can you, mt.
That would not be the net result, I don't even know how you can assume that.
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According to that article it does, and this thread is supposed to be about that article. Why don't you read the article and tell me, if the economist's perspective is correct, how 99.9% of people wouldn't benefit?
Now whether or not the economist is correct is another matter. But in what you quoted, I was referring to if it were true.
I read the article...it doesn't say 99.9% of people will benefit even if the economist is correct which he is not.
Los Angeles $15 Minimum Wage
in AngelsSpin.com Political Talk
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I feel there are a number of jobs that are meant for teenagers. A person working the counter at McDonalds shouldn't be doing so as a career choice but should be a high school/college student earning some extra money. Furthermore, the min wage workers are usually some of the worst workers. This is why INO pays more than min wage and gets a much higher quality employee than that of Burger King. Companies usually get what they pay for in terms of employees.