Doug Van Oort Sr

17 hours ago, Angels N Skins said:

I no longer care about the Angels or how they are doing. This team has sucked the baseball life out of me.

And that I believe is the way most Angel players and fans feel about now.  The baseball season is very long, after almost 5 months of losing and not just losing but getting you ass kicked it's not as easy for the player to be focused, they are just going thru the motions and counting down how many games are left.   Time for football  HTTR!

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Poor dude.  When he gets home he can cry in his big bag of money.  

These crappy statements about Trout and the money he makes gets old.  Trout plays baseball because he love playing the game and competing He is not the type of player that goes home at the end of the season and says we lost 95 games but I made a lot of money. He is going to make a lot of money on whatever team he plays for, and the thought of playing for the Angels with no future due to a crappy farm system and an owner that has decided he is not going to spend money anymore has to be nauseating.

4 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

I'm sure he felt that game was a failure.  The season?  Himself?

Not so much, which is what we were discussing.  

Look, nobody is happy with what this season is giving us.  Nobody is happy looking at what it seems the near future of this team looks like.  But it doesn't mean I don't follow the team.  It doesn't mean I don't look at the box score everyday to see who played well and who didn't.  It doesn't mean I can't enjoy following the Angels.  If this concept were true, the Cubs would have been out of business 70 years ago.

You may be taking me wrong. I still watch the games, I look at the box scores every day, and I will be disappointed when the last game of the season is over.  I would also like to feel the excitement of that 2002 season again, see the players celebrate, the fans going nuts. 

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

But as a fan that is a ridiculous standard to go by.  You must love the Harlem Globtrotters.  

and I am sure the Angels sit around and talk about how proud they are of the 2014 season when they won the most games in baseball but got swept in the playoffs. Losing is part of sports, but I don't know a lot of athletes that are happy losing.  I have been an Angel fan since 1965, so I have seen my share of bad baseball and losing. I will never be happy watching them lose.

3 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

90% of all players are failures by your account.  Do you believe Mike Trout feels like a failure?

Oh, I guess that makes him a loser.

LOL

Depends on how you want to look at this.  Baseball is a team sport that requires several individuals to perform. If the team loses, your individual performance does not mean much unless he is on your fantasy team.

8 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

90% of all players are failures by your account.  Do you believe Mike Trout feels like a failure?

Oh, I guess that makes him a loser.

LOL

I don't see him smiling when he walks off the field lately. You tell me how he feels

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25 minutes ago, stormngt said:

What a dumb ass statement!  

Let me ask you if a team goes undefeated the entire season but gets upset the final game are they losers?

BTW I have 19 years experience coaching and scouting college and professional basketball.  So get off the "everybody" deselves a trophy bullshit 

Sports is all about playing hard and doing your best, if you lose the game you did not achieve your goal and that is to win. Yes, you can have the greatest season ever and lose in the world series, ask the players if they had a successful year. Most will tell you no, they did not reach the goal they set out to achieve, no one plays just to make it to the world series, except losers.

40 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You play sports to win championships. If you only watch to win then you are going to be miserable. 

The Angels haven't won the WS in the past 14 seasons, which sucks but it hasn't taken away my enjoyment of watching the team. The end result doesn't take away a good, exciting season.

I really hope you did not find enjoyment in watching the Angels play like they did over the weekend in Houston. If you did, you have no idea what sports are all about.

49 minutes ago, Taylor said:

10 bucks this guy is white and a Trump supporter.

That's about as stupid as his theory of a curse.

58 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

They did him a favor by signing him to a huge contract they have no other obligation to him

Not saying they have an obligation to him, if they are not going to contend for 3 or 4 years, trade him, rebuild the farm system, and yes you would be doing him a favor also.  

29 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Are we forgetting that the Cubs haven't won a WS since 1908?  Many on here believe if you don't win the WS your season was unsuccessful  (albeit I disagree with that philosophy)

Sounds like you come from the everybody gets a trophy generation.  You play sports to win championships, at the end of the year there is only one team that reached their goal. 

1 hour ago, Kevinb said:

The problem is most these "older" Angels fans got "their" World Series championship and now are just obsessed with this notion of having an Angels player with an Angels hat in the hall of fame. 

I could care less about having an Angel hat in the HOF. I waited 38 years for the Angels to win a world series and I would like to see another before I die. Getting into the HOF is an individual achievement, and I think Trout will take care of that.

1 hour ago, Kevinb said:

So in that aspect he might not stick around anyway. We have been to the playoffs once in 6 years and if we don't make the playoffs next year that will add another. Making the playoffs even if we make it 2 out of the last 3 times in Trouts time here that would be 3 out of 10 years being here. You think he will stay? 

I love watching Trout play, in fact it's the only the only reason to watch Angels games this year. I don't want to watch him waist his time for the next 4 years on a team that rebuilding. If this team has no intentions of contending  for the next 3 years do him a favor and trade him, rebuild the farm system and let the long rebuilding process begin. 

I know we changed pitching coaches this year and It may not have anything to do with all the pitching injuries but you have to wonder is there something he is doing different with the pitching staff? I have never seen this many injuries to a pitching staff in one season.

What great memories that song brings back.  Listening to Dick Enberg on KMPC on a transistor radio.  

2 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

isnt Schwarber on the DL?  I thought you cant trade an injured player.

I still wouldnt do trade though.  Trout is a once in a lifetime player and should be an angel for life.

Poor Mike. Play on a crappy team for the next 5 years while they try to rebuild.  I would hate to see Mike traded, but I would like to see him get a chance to play for a winning organization.

Expect Arte's wallet to remain closed until Hamilton and Pujols are off the books. Only another 5-6 years now?

I have been an Angel fan for 50 years and I think this might be the first year that I live on a budget and don't open my wallet and attend games. Art wants to save money and not fill obvious holes with quality players, he seems happy to waste Trouts years on the Angels. I know it's a small amount to Art but the few thousand I spend a year on Angel baseball can be used somewhere else.

Every year the team that "wins" the offseason according to ESPN and other sites is one that dishes out at least one big long-term contract.  Very rarely do those work out and we've see how far "winning" the offseason got the Angels in recent years.  Winning the offseason is like getting a gold star in kindergarten.    

I'm ok with not winning the offseason, but it would of been nice to have participated in it.

The world is full of strange correlations.  If you think about it too much it will drive you crazy.

Say what you want, we had a huge hole at 3rd while he was out. 

Angels record while Freese was on the DL  11 and  26

Since he was activated  13 and  8

OBS does not exist in Angel hitting philosophy. I don't think it taught at any level in the organization.

Name shitty posters who come up with bullshit threads.

Not much else to do at this point in the season.

2007 - 2011 Reagins' plan was unsustainable. 2011 (71-59) after 130 games

 

2012 - 2015 Jerry's plan was unsustainable. 2015 (65-65) after 130 games

 

Jerry Dipoto didn't really improve the team. The names have changed but the results are the same.

And the one thing that remains the same is the dinosaur in the dugout.

I don't blame Dipoto, I don't think he was ever allowed to actually be a real GM.  Dipoto had his hands tied and could only make moves if MS approved them. Time for Mike to go, find another young GM that has fresh ideas and allow him to run the team.

Shoe was amazing and our pitching staff gave up 2 hits!!

 

Come on guys, we are still in this!!!

 

Go halos!!!

Good to see Shoe back and pitch well.  Not getting to excited about taking a series against a team below 500..  Our performance against the Dodgers, Kansas City, Toronto and Houston is hard to forget.

the entire stadium should be netted, with safety nets under each level for the fan the leans to far forward and falls off. My grandkids are in more danger walking to the car with all the drunks leaving the game.  Seriously, watching the game is not the part are worry about.