Lifetime

I see it isnt a popular deal...

I see it like this. Freese upgrades 3B and Salas is still probably an upgrade in the bullpen by the numbers pver most of what we ran outthere last year.

Borjous was a 4th OF and losing Grichuck sucks but he was what 7 on the depth chart?

It does have a win now feel to it, but lets be honest, isnt that what we are built for right now?

Bottom line, i like it, i think the value makes sense and the team is better today than it was yesterday.

bourjos was not a 4th OF

Everyone on here is so quick to defend Bourjos for his woes but immediately points to Freese's bad year.

huh?

That's what they did in 2013.  After 2012 people were talking about him bouncing back and either being an every day player or increasing his trade value.  Calhoun's success made their decision after 2013 easier.

and he did bounce back and he was an every day player, then he got injured. Then he got hit by a pitch. Then he tried to come back too soon and play through considerable pain in his hand. He had a run of injuries but these are not the type that spell perpetually injury prone.

If that insults you, you are very sensitive and don't belong on a message board.

right.

There's considerable irony in that statement xboom. 

Nobody overrates our players and coaches more than Lifetime.

what a load of crap nate. 

He's been in the bigs since 2010 and the last 2 years he's missed considerable time.  Where the Angels supposed to trot him out there in 2014 hoping he stays healthy, produces and his value increases while keeping a player they supposedly like in Calhoun on the bench? 

yes, because when he is healthy he is a considerable value. If he doesn't stay healthy, you have Calhoun to take his place. If he does stay healthy you either trade him for a higher value return or you trade someone else. 

I think some of you are overvaluing PB.  As much as I like the guy and wanted him to be a starter whether it was a freak injury (HBP) or his legs he missed time or played through injuries that hurt his production.  The Angels traded from a position of strength (OF) and got a 3B and a reliever both of which needed to be improved.  PB wasn't landing the Angels Wacha or Martinez.

then don't trade him now when his value is low due to injury. 

Calhoun is a better hitter with a canon for an arm in RF. The Angels are very high on Calhoun. I'm wondering if you watched him play at all last year and noticed we had Mike Trout roaming CF.

yes Chuck, I did watch him, a lot. 

I guess I'm in the minority here and like this deal. Oh well, some of you valued Bourjos higher and I get why you're butthurt.

lol this coming from a guy who has consistently been on the Bourjos bandwagon.

This is correct. Calhoun has earned his way into a starting role.

how did he earn a starting role over a healthy Bourjos? You have got to be f'ing kidding me Chuck.

lol

 

You are still wrong on Bourjos. 

lol you're still spouting your ignorance.

He was going to be a bench player on this team with Calhoun, Trout and Hamilton in the lineup. Nowhere for him to play. You won't change my mind on this either so save it LT.

no xboom he wasn't. There is zero indication that would have been the case. None.

He is on this team. And would have been in ST and to start the 2014 season. His value wasn't ever going to go up with the players already on this roster.

No he isn't. The only reason he was on the bench at all this season was due to injuries. He was the starter in CF and if healthy, he would be again if he was still here.

no it isn't. 

I disagree. The jury is still out on what he is as an everyday starter over multiple seasons. However, before there was a huge potential factor. 

LOL! no the jury isn't still out. 

Ok. But where do you play Calhoun? Would you rather see Bourjos out there over Calhoun? I certainly wouldn't.

yes!

And performance the year before. At least there was hope he would bounce back after being pushed out by Trout..

 

 now we get pennies on the dollar.

he didn't play much last year. He played very well this year outside of time on the DL. Any diminishing of his value is due to injuries not his abilities.

The addition of Freese allows DiPoto to trade one of Aybar or Kendrick for a starting pitcher. Think outside the box Angels fans. This trade is merely to position DiPoto to make a bigger trade with another team.

 

Trading a bench player (Bourjos) for a starting 3Bman is a good trade in my opinion.

Bourjos isn't a bench player... 

of course his value dropped due to injuries last year. That's not exactly deep insight there shane.

That's cause they held onto Bourjos way too long.

 

I hate to do this....

 

 

BUT I TOLD Y'ALL HIS VALUE WAS GONNA DROP

I do like that ARod had a roid rage like incident during the hearing before he stormed out though.

Sure he can try. There are thousands of frivolous lawsuits on the docket every day. Even if he was able to get his suit in front of a judge, it would not likely happen for a long time. In the meantime, his suspension decision levied by the arbiter would stand.

I have no question Arod will try to take this to federal court. I doubt he has a leg to stand on.

Arod does have the right to walk out, but his attorneys staid, and a ruling has to come down.

I understand that, that's what I was referring to. The implication by mud was that Arod walked out and would instead opt for a court trial to decide the case. My point was, it doesn't work that way.

Well, obviously you are wrong, he walked out and the commissioner's office can't have an arrest warrant issued. They also do not win their complaint by proxy, the hearing never completed it's course. They only can bitch and complain A-Rod won't play the game and roll over for the commissioner. A-Rod has the right to take his complaint about the suspension to an actual court of law and bypass Selig's kangaroo court.

uh wow. There is so much ignorance in your rebuttal. Arbitration cases are not criminal proceedings, they are civil proceedings. They are however legal proceedings with legally binding decisions. Of course the commissioner's office can't have an arrest warrant issued - what an incredibly naive thing to say. Arod doesn't have to be present in the arbitration (just as Selig does not) and he doesn't have to testify. His attorneys do have to be able to present his case however. They can't just walk out and opt for a court of law hearing. 

The hearing did complete his course. Arod's attorneys went back to complete their case without him. Arod does not have the right to take his complaint about the suspension to a court of law because he agreed by contract to participate in arbitration and abide by the arbiter's ruling. Again, the only way he gets this into a court of law would be if he can show the arbiter acted with bias against him, violated the agreed upon rules, or acted improperly. 

You're wrong. Arod does not have the right to walk away. He is obligated contractually to the arbitration process and the agreed upon rules. Deciding during the process that he didn't like the process or the rules is not "well within his rights". He has no "right to face his accuser" in arbitration. There is no legal right to depose his accuser, not to mention, this isn't a deposition. Arbitration is a legally binding process. Not all legal hearings involve trial procedures or guidelines and a determination of guilt or innocence. This is a legal proceeding. Again, the only way he gets a federal trial for this is if he can establish that the arbitrator acted improperly or with undue bias in his decision. 

Arbitration is not a negotiation. You clearly do not understand arbitration. 

Arbitration is a legal hearing. Its findings are legally binding. The only chance Arod would have in getting this before a federal court is if he can show the arbitrator was biased against him, didn't follow the agreed upon rules of the arbitration, or exceeded his authority. Doubtful it would ever make it to trial.

ALF the climate for PED use is much different now than it was even a few years ago when Bonds was under scrutiny. Not to mention the rules and penalties are different. Pettite wasn't swept under the rug but his case, and most of the others' were nothing close to Arod or Bonds. Arod is being singled out because of his actions and the way he has conducted himself including trying to cover-up evidence. Not sure why you haven't heard about the accusations being leveled against Arod but if you're expecting details, you're not likely to get them until at least after this is all over with, if at all. The accusations are PED use, recruiting/referring other players to the "clinic" and attempting to impede the investigation. All the while an arrogant defiant price. Ya, his case could very well have a considerable impact on the remainder of his contract but I don't think there's any reason to believe that is the motive behind the penalties.