BRAngelFan

yeah.  why would they trade us three tees and get only one in return.  

Great job by a lousy bullpen this home stand .
19 innings 3 earned runs !
LTBU

Hell of a performance. 
I'm both excited  that we have our own version of a Corey Kluber type ACE, or getting a nice haul as far as prospects if we were to trade him.
Honestly, I'm more excited about the former than the latter. 
 

SHOE! New career high in K's with 13 too!

Okay, just coming into this thread. A few thoughts.
1) Initially, like most, I thought, well, my day just turned to sh*t. But wait, it didn't. This news didn't turn my day to sh*t (it was already a bad day). I can choose to be pessimistic and write off the whole season, or not. So can all of you. The only people whose days have turned to sh*t are Richards and Heaney, who will have to go through surgery and a painful recovery without knowing if they will return as the same pitchers. Let's keep the focus on where it needs to be--on the players, not on ourselves.
 
2) HIPAA does prevent the medical staff and PR staff from releasing anything not expressly authorized by the player. So, they can't reveal what they know until given permission by the player. Players do release things to specific reporters. Even then, the medical staff can't talk about it until authorized by the player.
 
3) Why the hell would you change the number of games that you attend or watch on TV? That's bandwagoning. I go to the ballpark to be entertained. As someone pointed out, if a team wins 100 games, and I see a game where they lose 17-1 and they commit 5 errors, was I entertained because they made the playoffs or was I not entertained because the play on the field was so bad? I go to games because I never know what will happen at the game, it's a chance to sit in fresh air, talk with friends, and see the game I love played by the team I care about passionately. I don't go just to see a pre-playoff team.
 
Go ahead and rip me on these thoughts. It's okay. I've had a rough enough day that it won't bother me. But seriously, reading through this thread today was worse and more offensive than learning the news about Richards and Heaney was.

I'll just say this: no one really can tell if a coach is good or bad without watching very closely behind the scenes and talking the players and other coaches privately. I'm not saying I know either. I know enough to make about a 30 percent judgment based on my time in the clubhouse. So much of what happens goes unseen even by the media who is there every day.
I find it interesting that, among a group that so often understands why things aren't simple when it comes to stats (more RBI = good player), there is still a knee jerk perception when it comes to a coach (pitchers don't perform = bad pitching coach).
All I've seen as evidence that Butcher isn't good is references to guys like Kazmir, Santana, Haren, walden, etc. There are a lot of other factors at play with any pitcher, too many to make assumptions based on a small sample size.
All I can tell you is this: I've asked several Angels pitchers who I have a good relationship with, privately (off the record), what they think of Butcher, and no one has said anything bad about him.
And, to reiterate on Skaggs, I did not ask him about Butcher. He brought him up unprompted.