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12 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Ouch.  That's a huge hit for game 7.

Canucks' Brock Boeser expected to miss Game 7 with blood clotting issue

Is our 24th pick slip-sliding away? It feels like it. But we'll see

 Teams can rise to the occasion for one game.

20 hours ago, gotbeer said:

@deepdrive  Would you?  Obviously, depends on what the injury was.  But might be a good pairing with Mintyukov.  More of a stay at home Dman to open up Minty.  Of course that means, probably a top line of Fowler and Little Z.  But since Little Z was paired with Fowler, it really made Fowler a D man first, and let Little Z handle the offense which really did make Fowler much more effective.

Hurricanes Not Expected To Re-Sign Brett Pesce, Martin Necas

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pescebr01.html

RHD, 6'3", 208 lbs, 29 YO, 13 pts, 70 gp, low penalty minutes, low 50's corsi/fenwick.  

I don't know enough about any of them to say. But I would like to know who we get at 3 before commenting on any new signings.

We're starting to get a logjam at D. It will be interesting to see what Verbeek does with all the prospects we have.

17 hours ago, gotbeer said:

How to really not say much in an article.  lol.

What a Mitch Marner Trade to the Ducks Could Look Like

So let's play devils advocate.  So say there isn't a difference between 2 and 12.  If we can have an extension to Marner in hand for max at a reasonable rate.  Not the $10 million he's getting, because that would handcuff the Ducks long term when Z, Leo, Minty, Zell, McT need deals.  But in the $8-9 million.  

Would you, would they?

The #3 pick, Pittsburgh's third round pick, and LaCombe for Marner and the Maple Leafs first round pick.  I'm trying to take the sting out of losing the #3 pick by getting the Maple Leafs first rounder, this way if someone they want is available in picks 6-12 maybe they can offer both Toronto and Edmontons first rounders.  

Other offer is the #3 pick and Vakanainen for Marner.  

Nope, don't want him. More of a reason why Toronto failed in the playoffs than Nylander or Matthews. There's some guys at 3 who will probably be better than Marner.

2nd para:  I agree with this outlook after the 15th overall pick. But, for the first fifteen picks I think you need to approach it like there's a winner out there the GM needs to find it. Not hitting on the first fifteen picks can usually be traced back to not having or using the info that could have been obtained properly. It's not baseball. It's closer to basketball where you can pick the right guy early in the draft.

3rd para:  I don't know.  I think the consensus is mostly sports writers and Internet people just regurgitating each other's lack of info/knowledge. I think the guys who are really good at picking will see a noticeable difference. The sportswriters/fan writers rely too much on talent because that's pretty much what they have access to. That leaves a lot of important stuff out.

4th para:  No, I'm pretty sure Verbeek won't trade down. He's not that type of risk taker. He's going to go in knowing the one,two, three guys he values most and he's going to take the one that's left. And yeah, very hard to find a trade partner and put together a trade of that type. 

At least how I see it. But, hey, I'm just a fan reading the same junk all the other fans read.

23 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Pretty fair assessment of the Ducks RFA's.

Evaluating the Anaheim Ducks Pending RFAs

Pretty much what we already came up with, don't you think ?

Silfverberg is gone.  Grouix and Meyers will probably follow. Leason and Jones are on the bubble for another year. Johnston can't be moved until we get a physical presence to take his place. Lundestrom is probably here as long as his contract price fits in. The top defensive players stay until someone better can push them out.

I'm thinking we should start our own podcast, since we know as much as most people posting.

I could have lol'ed, but I'm kind of right.

I don't get these organizations that don't treat the goalie position as one of the three most important players on the team. They always seem to suffer because of it.

It's another thing I like about Verbeek. Every draft he's focused on getting a high quality goalie prospect.

17 hours ago, eaterfan said:

I'm not trading any assets to move up in this draft. I'd love to acquire more and move down.

I like Levshunov the best and I think he'd be a great fit, but there's no consensus he's the second best player. There's not even consensus that he's the 3rd or 4th best player. I think so many of the guys who could go 2-12 are very close in talent and potential. I wouldn't bet on any of those guys to end up being the best of the bunch with any conviction. 

As for team fit... This team is bad and the pick will probably be at least 1 year away from making the team and maybe 2-3. A lot can change over the next 2 years. No one on this team is a sure thing high impact player. They need to improve everything. Passing on someone because Zellweger is blocking them would be like passing on the number one SS in the MLB draft because Neto is there. I'm hoping all the young guys (NHL and prospects) work out, but don't pay to target a need. The needs may be very different when the player is ready to contribute.  

I don't think you trade down from a top 3 pick and from what I've seen, Verbeek has no interest in trading down.

You're right about no consensus on the 2-12. But, is that because they're so equal in value or is it because the info the writers  (and some teams) have available to them just isn't good enough to differentiate,  Draft history has shown that there almost always is a significant difference in the prospects in the top 12. But, you have to have good enough info to be able to see it (and know how to interpret that info).

No hate on Zellweger from me. I think he's the real deal. His biggest issue is size and then only because of the greater likelihood of injury. But hey, he seems to be of the mold of Vatrano and Cogliano. They've held up pretty well.

On 5/8/2024 at 11:53 AM, eaterfan said:

I believe that only moving up counts as winning the lottery. They didn't move up this year, so they can move up again. Finishing 1 or 2 isn't counted as winning if you are in your original slot.

Lots of ways to look at it. I see it as a probability situation. The odds were more likely that we ended up fourth than 1st, 2nd or 3rd combined..  So, in that sense we won.

9 hours ago, gotbeer said:

@deepdrive  Would you?  Would they?

Ducks trade the #3 overall pick + the third round Pittsburgh pick to Chicago for the #2 overall pick.

Why should the Ducks do it?  The Ducks are guaranteed to get Levshunov.  He would be the perfect fit in the Ducks lineup.  Your #1 line would be Fowler/Little Z.  Your #1a line would be Minty/Levshunov  This would also let Luneau get a full season at the Gulls, every game, instead of the in and out he got last season.  That would move Gudas to the 3rd pairing, where he might be most effective.  He is getting older, and plays a grinding game.  Towards the end of the season he was in and out with injuries because he was playing 1st and 2nd line time.  And we have 3 third round picks with a deep ass farm system.  I don't think losing the higher of the 3 picks would hurt the system at all.

Why should the Hawks do it?  Extra pick.  They may or may not go after Levshunov.  Demidov might have been their target all along, and if so, why not get the extra pick.  

I don't think you can really say on something like that. We just don't have access to the info that would make a difference. All I know about these prospects are some numbers and sparse write-ups. Character and dedication  are huge at these spots in the draft. Without that, I'm just playing fanboy.

You're right about the 3rd round pick being minor if it got you the guy you want. But, that's still a good pick. To move up one space? I really don't see it happening.

Don't you think the place to move up might be with Edmonton's pick ? If it meant getting a RHD that they want (after getting a scorer @ 3)., I could more easily Invision that.

5 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Didn't take long.

Maple Leafs fire coach Sheldon Keefe after first-round playoff exit

Firing the coach won't help unless they get a GM with the skills to put a team together.  How many years have been, and will continue to be, wasted because of Edmonton's lame GM's. With some organizations, it just goes on and on.

I'm for Vancouver in the series.  But I didn't think they had much of a chance.

Hope I'm wrong. The difference in the pick the Ducks get from Edmonton would be huge if they don't get to the conference finals.

7 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Mock 2024 NHL Draft: Experts split after Celebrini, Levshunov, Silayev go top 3

Interesting.  Not unsurprising though, but interesting that the top 3 are now kind of consensus.  I wouldn't mind the big Russian though.  The only bad thing is he's a LD.  But more than likely, we don't have to rush him to the NHL also.  

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/835541/anton-silayev

https://thehockeywriters.com/anton-silayev-2024-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

Is that the end of Lacombe if we draft a left hand defender ?

I don't know that he's the way to go at 3. You only get so many chances at high level scorers. You would have to be pretty confident that this guy is going to develop offensively. There are some quality RHD in the first two rounds.

And F Chicago.  2nd isn't much better than 3rd in this draft. Now they can't get another lottery pick for 3 years - their primary suck years.

Lol.  We can't get #1 with 11.5pc odds, but we stay at 3 with 7pc odds. 

But I'm happy.  Some really good players at 3.

I still don't understand why teams don't have to be cap compliant in the playoffs

3 hours ago, gotbeer said:

@deepdriverdraft is tomorrow Tuesday at 3:30 pm. We get to see if the ducks pick 4th or 5th.  With Montreal or Chicago getting the first pick.

I'm ready. So sure we fall back in this one, that no matter what happens, I'm good with it.

Do you think the league would do much for Montreal ? I know they're one of the chosen, but it seems mildly, in a 'let's keep them relevant' kind of way. Naw, Montreal would be up for 2nd if anything.

2 hours ago, arch stanton said:

This year I think it's Utah to throw the new golden boy a bone

Yeah, I think that would be my conspiracy pick. Too much blowback if Chicago gets it again.

14 hours ago, arch stanton said:

Until early March when 4 of them go on LTIR but are somehow ready for game 1 of the playoffs.

Really.

It's part of their game plan at this point.

But, give credit where credit is due. They found a hole (or more accurately took it from TB's playbook)  in the system and exploited it fully. Because Bettman is so proud of himself for being the first one into Vegas, he is leary to do anything that goes against his Vegas success story.

I don't see any move to stop this until one of the lesser teams starts dominating with the technique.

Too many problems that he's been given a pass on. I don't know the guy.  But, unless the Kings have a real strong reason to believe this was just a fluke season, they should cut their losses while they still can cheaply.  Three time losers (cough Klingburg) are extremely hard to move. So, you can't miss on this guy.

22 hours ago, gotbeer said:

What a finish to put Toronto on suicide watch. Florida is going to roll Boston.

My bet is Mariner is not getting another big contract there. Tavares will only stay on a short reasonably priced deal.

They can't go with this version of their team any longer. The fans and writers will chew them up.

Marner's not that valuable to them anyway.

On 5/4/2024 at 12:36 AM, arch stanton said:

Vegas give the Avs home ice but I have no preference. I do believe Vegas will win game 7 because Dallas doesn't have anyone who's gonna rise to the moment

I don't know, Johnston has been playing well in clutch situations. I'd pick him to score a big goal over any individual on Vegas ( sorry Eichel).

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

One thing about the Ducks.  Can never have too many goalies prospects it seems.

Ducks Sign Vyacheslav Buteyets To Entry-Level Deal

I thought they had totality given up on that guy.

56 minutes ago, Tank said:

kings have their backs to the wall tonight.

while they're playing well on offense, they've just been really sloppy on defense and have taken too many penalties.

and it's a crying shame that no one in the entire kings franchise has figured out that draisatl likes to set up low in the left face off circle where he's shooting at about 1000% accuracy. 

man, this (*&@#$*& team . . . 

This is the best Edmonton team yet. I think the only Western team that can possibly beat them is Colorado. Those two are my bet to be in the conference final.

On 4/29/2024 at 5:05 PM, gotbeer said:

@deepdrive  Suicide watch is on in Toronto.  Everyone is rumoring that the Leafs will trade Marner.  Last 3 seasons, 85, 99 and 97 points.  RH shot winger, 6'.  Big $10.9 million hit for one season till free agency.  So do you?  Obviously it's a no when it comes to our young guns.  But what if it's for a Gibswim or a Fowler or even a Stoned with some minor chips?  

I would have liked Nylander. But, for the money, I would pass on Mariner.

5 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Three Anaheim Ducks Players Will be Eligible to Sign Contract Extensions This Offseason

Ducks need to extend Vatrano.