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51 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Trout out 6-8 weeks.

This.

Yes, managed to avoid a train wreck contract for once! It will age very poorly for the Rangers. 

to the Mets... 3 years, 130 million. 

On 2/28/2019 at 2:28 PM, Angelsjunky said:

Time to re-calibrate?

I'll say next Friday, March 8. 

Machado got 10/$300M, an AAV of $30M. Harper got 13/$330M, an AAV of $25.4M.

What complicates things is Trout getting 13 years and a lower AAV than expected.

But it is hard imagining Trout not getting the highest AAV ever. $35M does the trick. I think the Angels give him 10/$350M added onto his current contract, so 12/$418M through his age 39 season. They might have gotten away with adding 8 years for 10 total, but I think Harper's contract gets him an extra couple years.

We have a winner before this thread deteriorated into something else. Angelsjunky at 12/418. I was a close second at 11/415.

12/430 according to ESPN. Very good news! 

12 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Would you give up $70-80 million for a .300 lifetime batting average?

 

If I had already pocketed 285 million, maybe...it would be 59 million after this year, not counting the PS contract.

Any chance that if he hits about .250 again he retires after this year to protect a lifetime .300 avg?

43 minutes ago, TroutField said:

Wow thanks for the hot take.. definitely never been said before.

I don't think anyone has actually said that MLB can stop the "in media lobbying" but not the personal texts between the two... 

According to reports Harper and Trout texted throughout Harper's negotiations. MLB can stop the "in the media lobbying" but can't do much about the personal texts between them. The front office needs to step up and make a solid offer to Trout prior to the season to see where he and his camp are at.

3 hours ago, Sean-Regan said:

His value for two years is worth more than we would get for him. Trading him would be the most moronically stupid decision any organization could make. The only circumstance you trade him in is if he demands a trade, and even then, it depends on the circumstances. 

Are you kidding??? We would net a kings ransom in a trade. There would be offers that would make it palatable if he was not going to resign here.

While I think the Phillies are still a possibility I'll go with March 27th, 2019. It will be for 11 years/ 415 million, w/ an opt-out after 4. They will sell him on the young players/farm, along w/ spending on FA once Albert's contract is off the books. 

"And because the deal's average annual value is $25.4 million, it gets flexibility to spend more in coming offseasons and not run the risk of exceeding the luxury-tax threshold. In other words: Yes, an outfield with Harper and Philadelphia-area native Mike Trout is realistic." -Passan (ESPN) 

On 2/11/2019 at 1:33 PM, Dochalo said:

it's not the team's perspective.  it's reality.  

7 rounds of a football draft.  all players from college and a trace smattering from some euro league

40 rounds of a baseball draft.  plus and intl sign period.  players starting as young at 16.  The Angels have 8 levels of minor league players.  

If football or basketball felt they were missing out on a pool of players, they would make further adjustments and increase the number of developmental levels.  

Guys from the NBA and NFL drafts walk through the door and are made starters.  Often.  

When't the last time we've seen an mlb draft pick in the majors the same year?  

Other sports have more predictable talent.  Therefore, they get more money.  

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Jim Abbott anyone...

On 2/11/2019 at 1:33 PM, Dochalo said:

it's not the team's perspective.  it's reality.  

7 rounds of a football draft.  all players from college and a trace smattering from some euro league

40 rounds of a baseball draft.  plus and intl sign period.  players starting as young at 16.  The Angels have 8 levels of minor league players.  

If football or basketball felt they were missing out on a pool of players, they would make further adjustments and increase the number of developmental levels.  

Guys from the NBA and NFL drafts walk through the door and are made starters.  Often.  

When't the last time we've seen an mlb draft pick in the majors the same year?  

Other sports have more predictable talent.  Therefore, they get more money.  

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Jim Abbott anyone...

7 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I wonder what sort of higher AAV deals were offered by LA and the Giants. If LAD was offering 5/$200M, I'd almost think that would be preferable to Harper. But it seems he really just wanted that $330M.

Apparently, Cali taxes played a role...

1 minute ago, Lou said:

this has absolutely nothing to do with Pujols. 

 

Both reside in the top 10 in terms of total value so it is a fair comparison of how the contracts were structured. The idea that Harper at 39 is laughable on a diamond is less so when you compare it to Albert and his contract at 42. Simply saying the Phils did it right in terms of the structure, IMO.

3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I think they're in trouble after 2020 unless they go berserk from a payroll standpoint.  

Won't be an issue. They've got some big contracts coming off the books from 20-22. Arietta, Mccutchen, Robertson, Segura, and Nola (80 million). I only see Nola and maybe Segura being retained out of those given their respective ages.

1 hour ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

literally LOL'd when i saw the money breakdown

harper rounding 2nd in 2031:

Harper's last 3 years significantly better than Pujols (66 million vs. 87 million) and 3 years younger, the Phils knocked this out of the park in terms of future value, IMO.  

I literally can't believe all the hoopla about this in regards to Trout remaining here. If anything the AAV of Harper's contract makes it much more likely he could wind up back in Philly. At just 25.38 million/year and front-loaded if reports are correct then all they have to do is backload Trout's contract. There could easily be years the both of them are taking up only 55-60 million. Backloading Trout retains value in the later years. Also, the Phillies current large contracts are set to expire in 21/22 i.e...Arrieta, Mccutchen, Nola,  and Robertson. I hope Trout stays, but the AAV of Harper's contract makes me leary now.

8 hours ago, yk9001 said:

Dude didn't even hustle in the World Series.

What do you think he's going to do in mid-July when the Pads are 20 games out?

It's funny how one play can define you when maybe it shouldn't... 

"Machado’s top speed, 26.3 feet per second, was the same in each of the past two seasons and up slightly from 2016 (26.1 second). Machado averaged 27.4 seconds in 2015, the first year Statcast cameras tracked player movement. His sprint speed split times, including his initial burst — his first 5 feet (0.55 seconds) — were also the same in each of the past two seasons." - Five Thirty Eight

23 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

It won't be much under .800, but he will find the going tougher in that dense cool air in SD.   18 at bats is a small sample.

He's already had a recent sub .800 season in 2017, with all of those hitting friendly AL East parks.

In fact, 3 of his first 6 full seasons (2013-2018) produced a sub .800 OPS, playing a lot of games in those hitting friendly parks.

$300 million is a lot of cash for that.

Imagine Trout hitting in those AL East parks for some 115-120 games/season.  

Petco park factor last year ranked 13th in the majors. Changes in 2012 have pushed Petco to the middle of the pack from what used to be a pitcher's paradise.

Career OPS in Petco- 1.000 in very limited action 18 AB's, no HR's. 

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Yep, and now a total of about 100 games a season will be played in pitchers' parks (Petco, the Latrine, and whatever AT&T is now named).

Has any hitter ever flourished in Petco Park?   Great stadium, but the dense nighttime air cuts drives down.

First 2019 prediction:  Machado will have a sub .800 OPS.

I'll take that bet for $50, I'll take over .800 OPS

For me it had to be the day we traded Jeff Mathis for a case of Molson!

Harper is working on his 2nd great season, everything else has been modestly better than average so far (avg. WAR 2.87 in those other 4 years). Great talent, but I'd be concerned about my organization throwing that much money at him.