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Literally everyone stopped what they were doing to watch Griffey play. Lots of people do the same for trout, but not nearly as many as Griffey. For that reason alone Griffey was better.

There can only have 20 options so I left out those that I think have no chance.

Comparing Abreu to Anderson is like comparing Larry Walker to Nick Markakis.

They have about a 30 WAR difference so that won't happen.

Kyle Seager is retiring. That guy killed the Angels.

But did people stop what they were doing to watch them?

Yep game was different than. He led league in home runs with 9 one year. He was also top 5 seven times.

Vlad never once had more than 15 assists in a season, Abreu had 17 once. Vlad had more than 10 errors 7 times. Abreu never had 10 or more in a year.

Vlad only stole more than 15 based twice in his career. Abreu did it 13 times.

"In his prime Vlad was a five tool player. He had speed, an arm like a cannon, ability to steal bases, hit for average, for power, he had it all and it wasn't from a syringe" Are you talking about Abreu because he did all those things too?

Only A-rod, Manny, Giambi, Ramirez, Sheffield, and Bonds have been tied to steroids.

I wonder if in the future 4000 times on base will become the new 3000 hits.

Why would you assume Abreu is the HOF player and Gwynn is the borderline?

Gwynn was voted in by the fans. He didn't play because of an injury.

Yep he got a higher % than Mickey Mantle. I said HOF/Borderline HOF players. Gwynn is HOF and Abreu is borderline. Your making an argument out of nothing.

What does % have to do about anything?

I just like yelling at clouds.

Yes. Just not lights year better. They brought pretty similar value overall, but Gwynn brought a little more because of his defense.

And mine is about home runs, doubles and stolen bases.

I'd prefer the player that was least likely to make an out, which would have been Abreu.

What about home runs, doubles and stolen bases. We aren't saying Gwynn wasn't great, his ability to hit the ball where the runners weren't was amazing. I also don't let that limit my ability to see Abreu was almost as good because he had other contributions that Gwynn didn't have. We're talking about two great players that are hall of fame/borderline HOF. I think Gwynn was a better ball player, and WAR certainly agrees with that. But Abreu was no slouch and deserved to be in the HOF conversation.

I remember the disappointment when the Angels released Glenn Allen Hill. Remember the mammoth home runs he used to hit. My friends and I I used to stop whatever we were doing to watch his at bats. They were insane to release him

I guess the correct way to phrase it is Gwynn was elected to more all star games because people overvalued batting average.

Do you simply judge players based on whether people stop and watch them?

Abreu had a better first half offensively. Not to mention at the end of the year Abreu had 27 stolen bases and Vlad had 14. Vlad also had 19 errors in the outfield that year. Do you really think Vlad was the better player that year?