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It's a shame all those closed minded, conservative Christian, white mid westerners generalize like they do. If they were more open minded like me they would understand that Oriental people are good,hard working people who are really good students!

Hey, AO, this was a transition year where the Rangers were working in Perez, Scheppers, Martin and Profar all at once. I told you guys at the end of 2010 you should trade us Weaver to get some minor league players and shoot for 2013, but no, they decided that Pujols and Hamilton were the answer.

I'm sure the Rangers can recover next year. 91 wins is a lot for a transition year.

BTW, I asked a legitimate baseball question and have another one: What young players did the Angels work into their team this year and how do you think they stack up to Perez, Scheppers, Martin and Profar? Maybe you can give a legitimate baseball answer this time.

Looks like they got a fine education in the Ranger art of folding at the end of the season.

Calhoun, Richards, and DDLR are young players who held their own this year and adding them to Trout, legitimately we still have some young talent.

The Angels could hire Georgia Frontiere's granddaughter to manage and I'd still watch and support the team.  I'm having a hard time understanding how the manager affects being a fan to level that some express on here.  Ya, he's frustrating sometimes and a change may be needed, but isn't it the players on the field that are the reason for watching?  Or beyond that just loyalty to your team?  

It isn't worth a damn in preparing you for a job, though. I have a BA in psychology that landed me a low paying dead end desk job with a state agency in Oklahoma. In my late 30s I went back to school and earned a nursing degree. Being an RN pays a hell of a lot better than my dime-a-dozen social science degree ever did.

I followed a similar path.  VHF left out the best part of being a RN though.......the 3 day work week.  I don't make quite as much as I made in my previous career but I have a LOT more time to enjoy life with the money I do make.  Plus it's pretty interesting and some days I even feel like I made a difference.

I think the biggest advantage to trading him is that we have potential replacements that are ready for a shot.  Green and Lindsey with more depths waiting below them.  Dipoto wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't at least see what was available in return.

That being said I think Howie is undervalued on this board and the return would have to be significant to actually make a move.

Not that all of those are deadline deals, but the Haren and Grienke trades look like the worst to me.  It is all hindsight though, sometimes you have to take a chance.  Clearly it doesn't always pan out.

Or, to put it in different terms, what does the Angels' 2013 look like if they'd refused to make a trade since 2009? Chatwood and Corbin in the rotation. Santana in the rotation. Skaggs as depth in the minors. Morales DH'ing with Pujols on the shelf. Walden closing games instead of Frieri. Will Smith setting him up. Segura at shortstop. Mathis at catcher. Forget about that last one. It would have been a much, much better team. Good enough to complete with the Rangers and A's? Not sure about that. But a better team.

Be careful what you wish for, cause you just might get it.  Remember when we all bitched because Stoneman didn't make deadline deals?

Never thought about this, but that wouldn't maximize his talent. I'd rather use him as a spot starter or long relief. I don't think we need a closer that badly.

I agree that it probably isn't maximizing his value but if he was effective it would improve the overall bullpen putting Ernesto in a setup role and on down from there.

I know they want to keep him stretched out for multiple innings and spot starts (which has value) but what about Jerome as a closer?  I think he has the stuff for it and he seems to handle pressure pretty well.

I was going to mention that in my post as well AJ. But seriously, I didn't follow the Angels every season because they had a chance to get to the playoffs. I followed them because they were my team and I was entertained by the thought of them winning or doing something spectacular or memorable. The losses made the wins even that more enjoyable. 

 

I suggest this younger generation that was spoiled with the Angels that were trotted out there from this past decade to love the team first, hope for the best in terms of winning second. If you do that, the losses are less painful and the wins are a sweet smelling fragrance that make the fan experience even better. 

Well said Chuck.

People who make accusations about roids and age with Pujols are ridiculous. You must believe in UFOs and Bigfoot too. You don't think the Angels thoroughly looked into this? What about MLB? How bout just a really motivated journalist looking to make a name for themselves? There is NO evidence to support these claims. Talk about how bad he is this year all you want but stop with the unfounded accusations. There is enough to complain about without adding stupid BS conspiracies to the discussion.

This is far from the worst I've seen. I still have hope for this year. It's dwindling, but there is still some there.

Why trade a potential superstar with 5 years of club control left for prospects? We'd probably be trading Trout for players who are older than he is. It makes no sense whatsoever. You build around players like Trout and Trumbo, not trade them. We are stuck with Pujols and Hamilton. Accept it and find other solutions. I'd rather listen to the fire Scioscia drivel than this crap about selling the most valuable pieces of the team.

I'm not sure which is more silly? The idea of trading Trout or saying that a team with Trout and Trumbo wins 40 games for the next 5 years? The Angels have never lost 100 games in a season but now they are going to lose 120 for the next five? I am going to one up Vladfan and say:

Preposterous!!

I'm in for the CBS keeper league.

If you aren't a fan of WAR what stat do you prefer to value players?

nuh-uh

Watching him score on the highlights from today's game I was surprised how tall and filled out he looks.  Big dude.  Not Glaus big, but approaching that size.

Looks nice.  Maybe I'll actually figure out how to post pictures on this one.