Rally Gorilla

Anything else? My time is precious. There is a toaster restoration video that I've been dying to watch....

I wish!

Maybe you should change the subject? Find something else to focus on....because, well....you're kind of boring to me now.

Yeah, funny how when you keep addressing someone with the same issues, you get the same responses.

Or, maybe....you just can't handle someone criticizing Arte.

Or maybe someone who just shared an opinion you don't like. Someone who thinks a baseball discussion board should allow differing opinions.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. You keep addressing me and then complaining you are bored. Why don't you focus on something else?

Just hold your breath a bit longer...

So, you keep quoting me and then complain when I respond. If I'm so boring, why don't you focus on something else?

Again, if someone asks me direct questions.....I'm going to answer them the best I can. If the questions are repetitive, my responses will be also. If you don't agree on how I see things....that's perfectly fine with me. EDIT: I don't agree with everything you say, but I don't get upset and bombard you with questions about it. I also don't tell you that you need to grow up.

Again, you keep directing questions to me. Why do so if you don't like the answers and you find them so boring?

Well, you did ask direct questions....you just don't like the answers. I did try to provide some optimism and common ground....but, I get it....you just can't handle anyone criticizing Arte.

Arte is the owner. One who left the team with a gutted farm system and a 10 year playoff drought that started seven years after he took over the team. You try to find excuses why he doesn't deserve the blame! Look, what we probably can agree on is this....good things have happened since Eppler was hired. Arte has been mostly supportive and many smart moves have been made (IMHO, Arte still gets weirdly cheap over smaller profile players). Rendon was a great add IMHO. Can't wait to see Adell and any other farm hand play in Anaheim. I think wer'e going to be a LOT better in 2020...and I think we can keep getting better onward. But the recent nixing of an Angels-friendly trade that would have helped us in the pitching department (and then, right after, threatening Eppler's job) sure seems like the bad old days to me and it's discouraging. Maybe Arte will realize he did something stupid and he'll try to stop himself next time. Maybe he'll even support doing some things to make up for the bonehead move. If he does, I'll be happy and optimistic he can change. But right now, it sure seems like the same old Arte that loves putting red jerseys on guys like Hamilton and Wilson....and I don't know if I can handle another 10 years of futility.

Those guys were drafted before Arte bought the team. The GM was on board before Arte bought the team. The young manager was hired before Arte bought the team. They won a freakin' WS the year before Arte bought the team. Arte didn't do anything to f/u the team those first few years and I give him credit for that. When Arte did hire his own GM's....and played GM himself.....that's when the team started it's long descent.....and that's all on Arte.

Answer mine first. And, yep....theory confirmed that some people can't separate politics from baseball.

It's coming soon. Please hold your breath.

Did anyone say that the only way for the 2020 Angels to build a team is through home-grown talent? No. In fact, our farm system was recently one of the worst in baseball so we're probably going to have to rely on FA more than most teams. You just saw what you wanted to see there. What I did say is that the 2002 Champs were mostly built on home grown talent....if you want to argue that, go ahead. Or, if I don't use the exact wording you prefer, please let me know....because that's really important.

Reading RBM's comment "there was no quid pro quo"....makes me wonder if all the upset over criticizing Arte doesn't stir up feelings and battle lines people are already having over politics these days. We are on the same side folks....even if we disagree about Arte....and having differing opinions, IMHO, are kind of what a baseball discussion site is all about. Besides, I'm right.

I think so...

Ok, I blame him. The last ten years have sucked.

Yeah, I just looked it up and your right. Bavasi did draft the bulk of the 2002 roster. Stoneman did draft Jeff Mathis though...he can always be proud of that.

Trout and Adell are good starts.

Maybe accountable is the wrong word. I guess people could vote with their dollars. But, what I meant is that he is responsible.

Note the word mostly....and Stoneman prided himself on going home-grown as much as possible.

Who won the world series in 2002? Who was their GM? Who owned the team? How many of those players were still on the team in 2003-2009? Honestly, at least Arte was humble enough to stay out of Stoneman's way and not f/u a team that just won a ring. So, I'll give him credit there. But Arte didn't oversee the building of that team. And once Stoneman left....Arte hired Reagins....then Dipoto.....then he decided he was a great GM and forced the Pujols/Wilson/Hamilton signings....then he wouldn't spend to repair the damage....then the team started being the Clippers of the MLB. Sorry, IMHO, that's on Arte. If you wan't to give Arte credit for a team that was put together before he purchased the Angels....fine. If you wan't to give him credit for letting Stoneman keep doing his thing....fine (I agree with that). But then, IMHO, you gotta hold Arte accountable for last 10 years of futility and a decimated farm.....because that all on him.