Actually, I know all about the history. Just because I never chose to post previously doesn't mean I don't know about the Angels, or baseball. The point of my statement is who has changed with the times, who has made adjustments? Scioscia has been in a downward spiral for quite some time now while Maddon has not. I was also posting regarding what I've observed over the years. While you mention he'd be a nobody if Scioscia hadn't kept him on staff, there's obviously a reason he did...I'm not faulting Scioscia as a manager as a whole, in fact, the reason he kept Maddon on board shows that he can recognize good leadership. I think Scioscia struggles at managing a team without strong leadership like Maddon on board. He lost all his strong leaders in Roenicke and Black as well...and again...he's been in a downward spiral ever since. It's funny you call out Joe Maddon as a failure, since he's obviously not now, and if Scioscia did a great job mentoring to the point where Maddon showed his value, then YES, Maddon should still get credit.