Bill Neftleberg

You're still missing the point. The Mets are not trading Logo for trash. MLB has rated your farm as one of the worst in baseball. That is why you haven't acquired a top of the rotation starter and have settled for a guy who was non-tendered (in effect, released) in Teheran and a former top prospect on Dylan Bundy who went 7-14 last year.

outside of Adell and Marsh you don't have any prospects that any team would trade 1 for 1, or even 2 for 1 for a top of the rotation starter. That is why you haven't traded for one. Hell, you had to give 4 of your prospects for Bundy who as mentioned went 7-14. The point is outside of Adell and Marsh, No team is giving you a top of the rotation starter for the dreck you're offering.

Then why did bleacher report rank them 28th of 30 teams  with Adell this season at the end of season review. And more importantly why couldn't the Angels acquire a single top of the rotation starter this offseason.?

they settled for a non tender release in Teheran and a 7-14 5+ Era Bundy as a reclamation project.. Surely if your farm system was so strong you could have gotten someone who is legit yet you didnt. even Cole who was rumored to the Angels went elsewhere. moreno had the money for Rendon. Why not for Ryu, Madbum, Keuchel, or Wheeler . Even if he had to overpay?  Obviously the prospects aren't that good or you'd have gotten better pitchers and you wouldn't want Lugo.

I'm just looking at things from a logistical viewpoint. Trout and Rendon, too for that matter aren't getting any younger, id think if those prospects were so good Clevenger (a former angel) Kluber, or Ray, would be Angels right now. Don't you think?

24 minutes ago, ettin said:

So I would never want to argue with such an esteemed New York fan such as yourself but let us look at the facts:

1) Yes Lugo is one of their best relievers but Edwin Diaz, Jeurys Familia, and Dellin Betances are all on his level, if not potentially better themselves. This is why Seth has value to any team. Certainly we can disagree about a proposed trade but I am here to point out other solutions to finding an ace for the Angels. Three years of Lugo for multiple years of 2+ players/prospects isn't something to sneeze at. It could certainly be a higher asking price or it could be in that ballpark, they are just suggestions.

2) Guillorme is a slick-fielder but so far he has a combined 69 wRC+ across his 144 plate appearances in the Majors. At best he is a light-hitting low-level regular but much more likely to be a utility backup. Rengifo, as an example and comparison, is better.

3) They traded for Jake Marisnick to pair with Nimmo in a traditional platoon in center field, so they have the position covered for 2020. On top of that Seth Lugo does not have enough surplus value to command a top prospect like Jo Adell. The latter probably has close to $70M+ in surplus value while Lugo has, at best, about $35M or so. The Mets wouldn't even have the gall to ask for Adell in a Lugo deal and if they did that would end the discussion from the Angels point of view and rightfully so since it is such a ridiculous ask.

4) I looked for the John Harper article and couldn't find it so feel free to post a link. I find that trade to be lopsided a bit in the Mets favor as Boyd has a bit more value than Lugo overall.

 

I said the Mets would ask for adell, and the Angels would decline.

The Mets have Rosario. Guillorme and Gimenez. Rengifo is no where near any of the m, sorry but it's true Guillorme has outplayed him in the majors and Gimenez is the better prospect by far. And they still have Rosario and McNeill at short and second

The Mets wouldn't need to have gall to ask for Adell. Since he is really the only prospect the Angels have worth a proven pitcher like Lugo. Marsh has value but not enough. So why would the Mets even consider trading Logo for less? They wouldnt.

it's the same reason the Angels couldn't get a real top of the rotation pitcher this offseason. The only real value prospect you have is Adell. Teams can only ask for what you have

no way would lugo go for that, he is their best reliever.

the mets also have Luis Guillorme and Andres Gimenez as better shortstop ready prospects that they like. In fact some rate  Jimenez almost as high as Adell so why would they even consider Rengifo

realistically with their big need being CF they'll ask for Jo Adell Which the angels will likely turn down. Last year the Tigers offered Boyd for Lugo and the mets turned it down according to John Harper of the NY Daily News so I doubt they have any real interest in moving him

Really Robert you need to do at least a little research before posting these articles. Not only are they biased towards the Angels in trade considerations they show ZERO understanding of the other teams. Literally my 12 year old nephew could do a better job.