Pancake Bear

Bill Stoneman won in spite of Disney.  The Angels would be a vastly better team today had he simply stayed on as GM for a couple more years or if more of the old guard survived the Dipoto purge.

I'm not particularly sad that we didn't get Snell. I said before I didn't see a contract scenario that made sense. Apparently there was maybe an offer from the Angels that would've made sense from their perspective, but I'm not surprised Snell passed on it, if that report was accurate.
I still think Montgomery is the better fit, but it sounds like he isn't interested in coming here. Personally, I'd still go grab Lorenzen and Martinez at this point. Sure, Lorenzen doesn't improve the rotation, but he does add depth (which, imo, we clearly need), and him and JD together probably don't cost all that much at this point. 

I remember when I first ran across the "Disney ownership was actually awesome" narrative. I was genuinely shocked by it. Especially since it came out afterward that they told Stoneman in so many words that they had zero interest in building a winner. Truly hilarious. Arte may be a shitty owner in many ways, but the notion that Disney was a good owner is based on nothing other than the fact that they basically ignored the club and let Stoneman and Sosh do whatever with a limited budget. 

Absolutely. At this point, it's totally fair to wonder whether we'll get anything from Trout and (especially) Rendon, but you also don't have to squint too hard to see strong seasons from either or both. Neither is particularly old. The vets, like Ward, Drury, Rengifo, and Hicks all were above average hitters last season. The kids - O'Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, Moniak, and Adell - all have to some extent the ability to break out in a big way. 
But, like you said, Trout and/or Rendon could have just another crappy injury-filled season, the vets could regress, and the kids could fail to take the next step, and we could have a bottom tier offense. There's a ton of volatility - and my biggest concern is that we really need more infield depth. Bringing in a JD Martinez would be huge, imo. 

Absolutely. At this point, it's totally fair to wonder whether we'll get anything from Trout and (especially) Rendon, but you also don't have to squint too hard to see strong seasons from either or both. Neither is particularly old. The vets, like Ward, Drury, Rengifo, and Hicks all were above average hitters last season. The kids - O'Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, Moniak, and Adell - all have to some extent the ability to break out in a big way. 
But, like you said, Trout and/or Rendon could have just another crappy injury-filled season, the vets could regress, and the kids could fail to take the next step, and we could have a bottom tier offense. There's a ton of volatility - and my biggest concern is that we really need more infield depth. Bringing in a JD Martinez would be huge, imo. 

Sure, if you assume everything remains static from year to year. Just saying Ohtani is gone and everything else remains the same is kinda disingenuous: Even the Rangers' offensive shift over the last two seasons shows how much a team can change from just one season to the next. The Angels have a new manager and coaching staff, young players who are coming into their prime, and two former MVPs who haven't been healthy in a couple of seasons. Am I saying we're going to have an amazing offense this season? Absolutely not, and I wish we'd brought in another player or two to help with depth, but there's a lot to potential in the lineup - we just seem to get the shit end of the stick every year with injuries. 

This is kinda how I feel, too. I'm not especially optimistic. 
Snell/Boras obviously have an ultimate goal of a long term deal, but it's self-evident that they won't get one at the level they want at this point in time. So, what's the alternative? They want a deal that is effectively a one year deal but that is structured longer with opt-outs in case Snell underperforms. 
By contrast, Moreno/Perry clearly aren't going to go for a long term deal at the rate Snell wants or it would've happened already. It's not like there's loads of bidders. The problem with a short term deal is it'll be an expensive first year, plus a loss of a draft pick in a season that Arte probably (with good reason) doesn't think we'll be competitive in. And if there are opt-outs, that makes it an even worse deal for us because Arte is assuming all the risk for extremely limited gain. And at 31, I don't see any world in which Snell accepts a deal with the first opt out after two years, which would make more sense for us.
I think the leaks about Snell wanting to play for us are probably true. I think he genuinely enjoyed being on the West coast and playing in SoCal. I just don't see a deal that makes sense materializing easily without Arte bending, because it doesn't really make sense for Snell to shift course. The biggest compromise I could see from Snell is a pure one year deal with no opt-outs. 

This is kinda how I feel, too. I'm not especially optimistic. 
Snell/Boras obviously have an ultimate goal of a long term deal, but it's self-evident that they won't get one at the level they want at this point in time. So, what's the alternative? They want a deal that is effectively a one year deal but that is structured longer with opt-outs in case Snell underperforms. 
By contrast, Moreno/Perry clearly aren't going to go for a long term deal at the rate Snell wants or it would've happened already. It's not like there's loads of bidders. The problem with a short term deal is it'll be an expensive first year, plus a loss of a draft pick in a season that Arte probably (with good reason) doesn't think we'll be competitive in. And if there are opt-outs, that makes it an even worse deal for us because Arte is assuming all the risk for extremely limited gain. And at 31, I don't see any world in which Snell accepts a deal with the first opt out after two years, which would make more sense for us.
I think the leaks about Snell wanting to play for us are probably true. I think he genuinely enjoyed being on the West coast and playing in SoCal. I just don't see a deal that makes sense materializing easily without Arte bending, because it doesn't really make sense for Snell to shift course. The biggest compromise I could see from Snell is a pure one year deal with no opt-outs. 

It's a fair point that the value is likely to be insignificant, but it also leaves out the value in terms of trade capital - prospects aren't valuable exclusively based on how good they will eventually be if they make the show. 

It's a fair point that the value is likely to be insignificant, but it also leaves out the value in terms of trade capital - prospects aren't valuable exclusively based on how good they will eventually be if they make the show. 

It's a fair point that the value is likely to be insignificant, but it also leaves out the value in terms of trade capital - prospects aren't valuable exclusively based on how good they will eventually be if they make the show. 

With Snell posting eyes Sunday, Olney and other small timers saying he wants to go to the Angels or that they believed it would be, and the lack of suitors out there (Yanks seem to be a pretty firm no), it seems very odd that a deal hasn't gotten done. And I just have this sinking feeling that it's all going to come down to Arte, and that we will hear soon that Arte refused to give ___ or ____. And he won't ever have to answer for it, and Snell will wind up on the Mariners on a discount deal beating us 4 times a year. 
The guy loves Orange County and has been here all offseason for crying out loud. With a baby on the way. He has clearly leaked that he wants to play here. He fell right into their laps -- nobody else is in position to sign him. And they're still going to mess this up? Only an Arte-led team could manage to botch this so badly. 

Me checking here to see if we signed Snell/Martinez

Worked out well for us last time. 

So, we're presuming that the Red Sox medical staff is so bad that when signing him they didn't notice a freaking UCL tear? Seems incredibly unlikely. 

So, we're presuming that the Red Sox medical staff is so bad that when signing him they didn't notice a freaking UCL tear? Seems incredibly unlikely. 

This feels awfully familiar. 

"Roger Lodge has been sacked"
"Arte Moreno has completed a silent sale of the Angels"

"Roger Lodge has been sacked"
"Arte Moreno has completed a silent sale of the Angels"

"Roger Lodge has been sacked"
"Arte Moreno has completed a silent sale of the Angels"

"Roger Lodge has been sacked"
"Arte Moreno has completed a silent sale of the Angels"

"Roger Lodge has been sacked"
"Arte Moreno has completed a silent sale of the Angels"

Lodge is such an ass kissing dolt. 

Lodge is such an ass kissing dolt. 

Lodge is such an ass kissing dolt.